Hopson passing on NBA

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utkCREW said:
maybe having to take charge of a large talented freshman class will motivate him to be more accountable. If he's put into a role to lead based on his experience with the program it could force him to push himself.
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Unless he takes the Tyler Smith leadership approach*.


*(Not a reference to the gun incident).
 
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volfanjustin said:
Was anyone really worried he would leave?
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Of course not, im actually kinda leaning towards him stayin all 4 years at this poin.t but, you never know, maybe he'll put the team on his back and actually hold his head up as hes walkin down the court
 
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#107
wheres the mcdonalds highschool all american scotty hopson everyone thought he was. i havnt seen him perform to those expectations.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Yea, it's completely unreasonable to expect more than 8 pts down the most crucial stretch of the season from Hopson. It's not like he was a McDonald's All-American and the 5th best player in the country coming out of high school.
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your basing you opinion on one game here where most people base it on the whole season. he was a solid contributor as a sophomore on a pretty good basketball team. as ive said many times before, his recruiting class was WEAK.

alumvol08 said:
Hopson is the one who essentially stated he would be a one and done before signing with us. It's not accurate to act like he was just an average recruit that fans unfairly hyped up.
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oh man. a high school senior who is going on to play division 1 ball had a big ego? not possible. also as i have said before, no one hyped him up that much except people on here who didnt know anything except that he was the 5th best recruit in the nation.

LawVol13 said:
Wonder if he'll say the same thing if Harris comes in and is about the 4th or 5th best player on the team down the stretch during his sophomore season?
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people who actually know what they are talking about are expecting quite a bit out of Harris. and the comparison between this class and Hopsons class is a joke.
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
your basing you opinion on one game here where most people base it on the whole season. he was a solid contributor as a sophomore on a pretty good basketball team. as ive said many times before, his recruiting class was WEAK.



oh man. a high school senior who is going on to play division 1 ball had a big ego? not possible. also as i have said before, no one hyped him up that much except people on here who didnt know anything except that he was the 5th best recruit in the nation.



people who actually know what they are talking about are expecting quite a bit out of Harris. and the comparison between this class and Hopsons class is a joke.
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First, you obviously again can't read. I didn't base it on one game, I based on the stretch run of the season. That means it's more than one game. Second, let's take a look at the guys Hopson was ranked over in his "weak" class. Keep in mind Hopson was #5 in the country.

#6: Tyreke Evans: he's pretty terrible. Just the Rookie of the Year this year averaging over 20 pts per in the NBA.

#7: Al-Farouq Aminu: He just averaged 16 pts and 11 rebounds this year and is entering the draft.

#8 Greg Monroe: He just averaged 16 pts and 10 rebounds and is one of the elite players in the Big East.

#16 Eliot Williams: who was about 10x better than Hopson this year and is entering the draft.

#4: Brandon Jennings: one spot ahead of Hopson. One of the best rookies in the NBA. Scored 50+ in a game this year.

These are all guys from Hopson's class that were ranked lower than him with the exception of Jennings. Do you think he is even in the same conversation as any of them? If you say anything other than no, you're insane. That's why he's a disappointment.
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
oh man. a high school senior who is going on to play division 1 ball had a big ego? not possible. also as i have said before, no one hyped him up that much except people on here who didnt know anything except that he was the 5th best recruit in the nation.
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Wrong. Here are a few people who also hyped him up that weren't "people on here who didnt know anything"

Draft Express
Scotty Hopson was considered to be one of the best high school basketball players in the country and a serious one-and-done candidate before he ever set foot in Knoxville.
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Jerry Meyer when discussing freshman that could be one and done:
Scotty Hopson— Hopson is oozing with NBA talent, but he has a long way to go in terms of attitude and effort. He could catapult his NBA status with a higher energy approach to the game during his freshman year.
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And a belief by Hopson himself courtesy of Zags Blog:
Hopson told Jerry Meyers of Rivals that he wants to eventually play in the NBA and could be a one-and-done player.
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Don't act like Hopson was some middle of the road recruit that only Orange Kool-Aid Slurpers believed would be good. He was highly rated over players that have gone on to live up to expectation. Sure, most D-1 bound kids have an ego. However, if a kid is going to say he is one and done material and then not even be close to D league material after two years, it is quite obvious he is overrated.
 
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#111
I definitely don't wanna get into an "argument" with anyone over here because the bs spewed in the basketball forum is quite frankly embarrassing, but Elliot Williams is a joke.
 
#112
#112
TBrown said:
I definitely don't wanna get into an "argument" with anyone over here because the bs spewed in the basketball forum is quite frankly embarrassing, but Elliot Williams is a joke.
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You're right. He's just pathetic. That's why he beat out a senior guard at Duke that had started the previous 3 years. That's also why he averaged 18 per this year and is entering the draft. That's also why he's projected to be drafted in the 1st round.

If you would take Hopson over Elliot Williams, then you know nothing about basketball.
 
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LawVol13 said:
First, you obviously again can't read. I didn't base it on one game, I based on the stretch run of the season. That means it's more than one game. Second, let's take a look at the guys Hopson was ranked over in his "weak" class. Keep in mind Hopson was #5 in the country.

#6: Tyreke Evans: he's pretty terrible. Just the Rookie of the Year this year averaging over 20 pts per in the NBA.

#7: Al-Farouq Aminu: He just averaged 16 pts and 11 rebounds this year and is entering the draft.

#8 Greg Monroe: He just averaged 16 pts and 10 rebounds and is one of the elite players in the Big East.

#16 Eliot Williams: who was about 10x better than Hopson this year and is entering the draft.

#4: Brandon Jennings: one spot ahead of Hopson. One of the best rookies in the NBA. Scored 50+ in a game this year.

These are all guys from Hopson's class that were ranked lower than him with the exception of Jennings. Do you think he is even in the same conversation as any of them? If you say anything other than no, you're insane. That's why he's a disappointment.
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lol those guys dont stack up at all with the class before them.

Michael Beasley
Blake Griffin
Eric Gordon
OJ Mayo
Kyle Singler
Evan Turner

and if your gonna throw in williams and aminu,

ill add
Kalin Lucas
James Harden
Nolan Smith
Kevin Love
Dejuan Blair
Robbie Hummel
Derrell Summers
Johnny Flynn

its no comparison... everyone hyped up the 08 class because they expected an 07 repeat.

alumvol08 said:
Scotty Hopson— Hopson is oozing with NBA talent, but he has a long way to go in terms of attitude and effort. He could catapult his NBA status with a higher energy approach to the game during his freshman year.
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lol thats far from saying hes a for sure one and done. no one denies that hes oozing with talent and potential. he just doesnt work that hard at it.
 
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Again, either your comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired or you're intentionally dodging the point. My point was to show that even people ranked below Hopson are much, much, much better than him. He can't even be in the same conversation as any of the guys I mentioned. That's why people are disappointed in him. It's not that hard to understand.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Again, either your comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired or you're intentionally dodging the point. My point was to show that even people ranked below Hopson are much, much, much better than him. He can't even be in the same conversation as any of the guys I mentioned. That's why people are disappointed in him. It's not that hard to understand.
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ok. im done arguing this. the class as a whole wasnt that good. people expected way too much because of the class before. Thats all im saying. yeah, hopson isnt living up to the expectations, but to say hes a total and complete bust is laughable.
 
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It's hard to call a guy who just finished his sophmore season a bust. How about we let the guy finish his career before bashing him. He is a Vol.
 
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ranradVOL said:
It's hard to call a guy who just finished his sophmore season a bust. How about we let the guy finish his career before bashing him. He is a Vol.
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I'm not bashing him. I simply said he's been a disappointment, and I think most would agree. I have also consistently said that I think he's a good kid.
 
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#119
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I actually have high hopes for the second half of his career. It takes some guys a couple years (more importantly a couple off-seasons) for the lightbulb to come on. Personally, through the flashes he has shown, I think he'll be one of those guys.
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
lol thats far from saying hes a for sure one and done. no one denies that hes oozing with talent and potential. he just doesnt work that hard at it.
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It doesn't say, "the only people who think he will be good is morons on a message board" either like you indicated. Fact is, many people outside the sanctitude of "Vol Nation" believed he had potential to be one and done.

I guess you must be right though. No one outside of vol nation believed he could be great immediately. That's why no one ever mentioned NBA and Hopson in the same sentence or ranked him very high.
 
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alumvol08 said:
It doesn't say, "the only people who think he will be good is morons on a message board" either like you indicated. Fact is, many people outside the sanctitude of "Vol Nation" believed he had potential to be one and done.

I guess you must be right though. No one outside of vol nation believed he could be great immediately. That's why no one ever mentioned NBA and Hopson in the same sentence or ranked him very high.
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omg look at what you are saying. he had the POTENTIAL to be one and done. Yeah, everyone knew he had the POTENTIAL! all of those kids have the potential. but there wasnt nearly as much one and done talk about him as there was about michael beasley, eric gordon, oj mayo, etc.
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
omg look at what you are saying. he had the POTENTIAL to be one and done. Yeah, everyone knew he had the POTENTIAL! all of those kids have the potential. but there wasnt nearly as much one and done talk about him as there was about michael beasley, eric gordon, oj mayo, etc.
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Look at what you're saying, man. You're the one that got on here saying that the only ones with expectations of him were "the VN elite." Now you're freely admitting that he had the potential to be one and done. If he had that potential and obviously isn't even close to realizing it, then how has he not been a disappointment?
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
omg look at what you are saying. he had the POTENTIAL to be one and done. Yeah, everyone knew he had the POTENTIAL! all of those kids have the potential. but there wasnt nearly as much one and done talk about him as there was about michael beasley, eric gordon, oj mayo, etc.
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The point that you continuously fail to see is that Hopson was more than just an average recruit in the eyes of many people. There weren't people saying he was an NBA lock like a Beasley, but he had much more potential than most players in his class. You think that the only people hyping him up are "stupid message board posters" which is just wrong. Actually many people thought he had the potential to be go to the NBA in his first couple seasons. However, right now he is not even close to being ready.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Look at what you're saying, man. You're the one that got on here saying that the only ones with expectations of him were "the VN elite." Now you're freely admitting that he had the potential to be one and done. If he had that potential and obviously isn't even close to realizing it, then how has he not been a disappointment?
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Obviously when you come out of high school you are either a surefire lottery pick or just a regular college player that will take years to develop. Number 5 player actually means, you are only good in the eyes of stupid message board posters.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Look at what you're saying, man. You're the one that got on here saying that the only ones with expectations of him were "the VN elite." Now you're freely admitting that he had the potential to be one and done. If he had that potential and obviously isn't even close to realizing it, then how has he not been a disappointment?
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when i say potential im saying his size and athleticism are NBA caliber. The kid is 6'7 and pretty athletic and long. that shows good potential for an NBA shooting guard, but you and i both know it takes much more than that to make it to the NBA. No, im not saying he didnt have good skills or anything like that, im saying his game was not nearly as developed coming out of high school as most one and done players.
 
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