House Oversight Committee- Biden family money laundering & foreign shakedown thread

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[hog88]

20 shell companies and every family member tripping a suspicious acitivity report is an instance where probable cause warrants an investigation. The tools are in place to perform a thorough investigation.

I'm sorry but I just can't understand how anyone can support pre-conviction punishment and freezing assets is punishment. How can anyone that believes in liberty support a corrupt government having the power to bankrupt a person over a suspicion.

Screw the Bidens, my opposition is in general. When the government is granted a power it's usually to "protect us" from the worst but it always trickles down to the people they sold on protecting.

 

[hog88]

IRS
When you have money you have not paid taxes on you owe the Government money. The freeze allows the IRS to determine how much, if anything, you owe.

Why do they have to freeze it to investigate it?

 

[hog88]

Patriot Act

Yes and that abomination needs to be repealed.

 

[Caculator]

Probable cause

 

[whodeycin85]

Once it’s proven in a court that it’s illegally gained everything is fair game.

Yes but if it's removed before it can be proven then how can it proven as ill gotten

 

[Caculator]

Why do they have to freeze it to investigate it?

Dude, you really asked that?

 

[Caculator]

Yes but if it's removed before it can be proven then how can it proven as ill gotten

That is why a freeze is necessary.

 

[hog88]

All tools can be used backed by a warrant, which can be issued by the Courts upon petition of the investigative authorities. You don't know this?

Yeah, I know this and how many times have the courts been abused, lied to or manipulated to get warrants?

If we searched your post history would we find posts lamenting the corruption within the FBI/DOJ? If so how can you support them having the power to freeze assets?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

IRS
When you have money you have not paid taxes on you owe the Government money. The freeze allows the IRS to determine how much, if anything, you owe.

The only problem is that they can freeze it indefinitely. If you are not proven guilty of anything, they can drag out their 'investigation' as long as they damned well please. The parts of the constitution that guarantees a speedy trial don't apply to tax court. I think that is hog's problem with it and I agree.

 

[Caculator]

I'm sorry but I just can't understand how anyone can support pre-conviction punishment and freezing assets is punishment. How can anyone that believes in liberty support a corrupt government having the power to bankrupt a person over a suspicion.

Screw the Bidens, my opposition is in general. When the government is granted a power it's usually to "protect us" from the worst but it always trickles down to the people they sold on protecting.

None of this pertains to the discussion.

 

[evillawyer]

What happened to the discussion about inflation, the border, and energy independence? Moving the goalposts and conceding defeat I see.

 

[whodeycin85]

The only problem is that they can freeze it indefinitely. If you are not proven guilty of anything, they can drag out their 'investigation' as long as they damned well please. The parts of the constitution that guarantees a speedy trial don't apply to tax court. I think that is hog's problem with it and I agree.

That's an issue, but an issue with corrupt people and agencies not the actually freezing while under investigation... People are the problem but necessarily the policy

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

That's an issue, but an issue with corrupt people and agencies not the actually freezing while under investigation... People are the problem but necessarily the policy

No, I think the policy is the problem. There should be a statute of limitations on the government to either put up or shut up, and it should be short fused. And double jeopardy should also apply so they can't '**** it up' and keep bringing more charges indefinitely like they keep doing with 45.

 

[Sudden Impact]

What happened to the discussion about inflation, the border, and energy independence? Moving the goalposts and conceding defeat I see.

Don't worry they will circle back around to it... Vicious Cycle... It should be off with their heads (Trump & Biden) Let KH run the country for a year? And an unknown Darkhorse win the Presidency in 2024.

 

[hog88]

One example is the tools used by the IRS to bring down notorious criminal Al Capone.

I don't think the federal government had the power to freeze assets during an investigation back then.

 

[hog88]

Dude, you really asked that?

Yes, got an answer?

 

[Caculator]

What happened to the discussion about inflation, the border, and energy independence? Moving the goalposts and conceding defeat I see.

You don't want to discuss criminal activity by the POTUS? You changed your spots from 2020

 

[hog88]

Yes but if it's removed before it can be proven then how can it proven as ill gotten

You think cash in a bank account needs to stay in a bank account for an investigation to happen?

 

[Caculator]

I don't think the federal government had the power to freeze assets during an investigation back then.

Gratuitious assertion

 

[Caculator]

Yes, got an answer?

Simply to preserve the existing evidence. You really asked that?

 

[whodeycin85]

You think cash in a bank account needs to stay in a bank account for an investigation to happen?

I do because if the cash is removed and only a record remains then the defense is where's the money.... Or prove the money every existed and isn't just numbers in a ledger

 

[hog88]

That is why a freeze is necessary.

Yeah, I forgot that once you withdraw money all records are destroyed and it becomes untraceable.

 

[hog88]

None of this pertains to the discussion.

How so?

 

[hog88]

Simply to preserve the existing evidence. You really asked that?

How does freezing assets preserve evidence?