House v. NCAA settlement fallout

[Col_Cathcart]

Sports leagues are different. Both the NFL and NBA are fully vested in 3 seasons. MLB is 10.

Sure, but that’s a totally separate pension system that would have to get created from scratch. I may have misunderstood the concern of the poster I was replying to but I thought they were worried about the financial implications for existing state employee pension programs if the players got classified as state employees and gained access to those retirement plans.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

This^^! It's what killed MLB for me. Was a braves fan when I lived in GA. Followed them like the Vols. One strike sucked. Then they did it again. Not sure why Glavine became mud to me. Know he was just repping for all players, but I hated him after that one. Haven't watched MLB since. Seems like a good thing for the players right now, but just like the NIL and unlimited free agency, reality turned out to be far different so will unionization. Anyone thinking this will solve all the problems will soon come to realize that while some of the current gripes will, indeed, go away, they'll be replaced with a whole new set of problems.....which undoubtedly will mostly screw fans in the end....rear end. Dark times for a sport I so dearly loved. Hardly recognize it now, but when unions come, the sport I knew wiil have officially died. It's no longer college football. It's the NFL-lite. That's just sad.

If this is the direction we take, I’ll buy a real nice ant farm and watch it on Saturdays.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Sure, but that’s a totally separate pension system that would have to get created from scratch. I may have misunderstood the concern of the poster I was replying to but I thought they were worried about the financial implications for existing state employee pension programs if the players got classified as state employees and gained access to those retirement plans.

The athletes are already trying to unionize and, in part, claiming to be NCAA employees in some cases. I'm not an attorney but it seems the NCAA and Conferences make the rules, not the individual schools, so who would be the athlete's employer?

Basically, they're saying the NCAA controls the sports and employs the workers and they have a point that the lawsuits are all aimed at the NCAA, who then has changed the rules at the schools.

In the pro sports that's how it works, I think. The athlete negotiates their salary with the individual team but the player's union negotiates the collective bargaining agreement (pensions, salary caps, etc) with the league.

I expect college to follow that model when they are declared employees.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

The athletes are already trying to unionize and, in part, claiming to be NCAA employees in some cases. I'm not an attorney but it seems the NCAA and Conferences make the rules, not the individual schools, so who would be the athlete's employer?

Basically, they're saying the NCAA controls the sports and employs the workers and they have a point that the lawsuits are all aimed at the NCAA, who then has changed the rules at the schools.

In the pro sports that's how it works, I think. The athlete negotiates their salary with the individual team but the player's union negotiates the collective bargaining agreement (pensions, salary caps, etc) with the league.

I expect college to follow that model when they are declared employees.

Complicating factor. The NFL is a monolithic model. The NCAA has ten FBS conferences plus independents.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Complicating factor. The NFL is a monolithic model. The NCAA has ten FBS conferences plus independents.

Yes. I believe the NCAA itself is doomed or will be completely reorganized to either just do "pro college sports" or "amateur college sports."

A different organization, hopefully, will develop to manage what I'll call "traditional college sports" which will still include NIL and multi transfers but much, much less revenue. The NCAA could take that roll.

Another organization will need to develop to manage "pro college sports" for the high revenue schools. That model will look much like the NFL, NBA, and MLB and function as the collective bargaining agent to negotiate with the player's union.

I'm extremely hopeful the high revenue athletic department schools separate from the NCAA before they destroy low/non-revenue athletic departments at most schools and REALLY ruin college athletics.

Unfortunately, I think the admins at the high revenue schools only see money and no longer care about college athletics. That includes UT.

 

[Delmar]

Yes. I believe the NCAA itself is doomed or will be completely reorganized to either just do "pro college sports" or "amateur college sports."

A different organization, hopefully, will develop to manage what I'll call "traditional college sports" which will still include NIL and multi transfers but much, much less revenue. The NCAA could take that roll.

Another organization will need to develop to manage "pro college sports" for the high revenue schools. That model will look much like the NFL, NBA, and MLB and function as the collective bargaining agent to negotiate with the player's union.

I'm extremely hopeful the high revenue athletic department schools separate from the NCAA before they destroy low/non-revenue athletic departments at most schools and REALLY ruin college athletics.

Unfortunately, I think the admins at the high revenue schools only see money and no longer care about college athletics. That includes UT.

Random hypothetical question. I wonder what the NFL would think about another “pro league”? They normally haven’t reacted very well to that. And how would the Titans react to competing with a UT pro team. I know which one is the most popular right now statewide. Maybe if it was set up as a true feeder league for the NFL? Sort of like AAA baseball? Just spitballing here.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Random hypothetical question. I wonder what the NFL would think about another “pro league”? They normally haven’t reacted very well to that. And how would the Titans react to competing with a UT pro team. I know which one is the most popular right now statewide. Maybe if it was set up as a true feeder league for the NFL? Sort of like AAA baseball? Just spitballing here.

Currently, the level of college, even at the "elite college" level isn't a threat to the NFL, NBA, or MLB.

They've got the talent and the money to crush a pro college league but it's not in their interest, nor is it in the interest of "pro college sports" to schedule games on Sunday or "recruit financially one on one against" MLB. College sports would do well to stay in their lane and pro sports would do well to let pro college sports be a free developmental league.

Are they interested in ownership or sponsorship or some kind of connection? Show me the money is their likely response. They are unashamedly businesses and would only be interested if it was at least "break even" I'd think.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Random hypothetical question. I wonder what the NFL would think about another “pro league”? They normally haven’t reacted very well to that. And how would the Titans react to competing with a UT pro team. I know which one is the most popular right now statewide. Maybe if it was set up as a true feeder league for the NFL? Sort of like AAA baseball? Just spitballing here.

Looking quickly at the USFL, it appears salaries top out at close to 80k / yr with the average being in the 60s. I assume that doesn't include any real NIL the players might do.

Nico would take a big pay cut to play USFL ball.

It's absolute craziness in college.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Yes. I believe the NCAA itself is doomed or will be completely reorganized to either just do "pro college sports" or "amateur college sports."

A different organization, hopefully, will develop to manage what I'll call "traditional college sports" which will still include NIL and multi transfers but much, much less revenue. The NCAA could take that roll.

Another organization will need to develop to manage "pro college sports" for the high revenue schools. That model will look much like the NFL, NBA, and MLB and function as the collective bargaining agent to negotiate with the player's union.

I'm extremely hopeful the high revenue athletic department schools separate from the NCAA before they destroy low/non-revenue athletic departments at most schools and REALLY ruin college athletics.

Unfortunately, I think the admins at the high revenue schools only see money and no longer care about college athletics. That includes UT.

There is a big problem with that. Ten different FBS leagues and the 3 independents wound all have to agree. I'm not sure that would occur.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

There is a big problem with that. Ten different FBS leagues and the 3 independents wound all have to agree. I'm not sure that would occur.

If the SEC and B1G and a few others leave, the NCAA can't really do much. The SEC and B1G have already talked about "the way forward" and I'm certain that's come up.

Once they go, it'll be easier for the minor players to "choose sides" and hopefully form something that looks a little more like college sports than pro sports.

 

[CAVPUT]

The problem is "aging out of the league" may be illegal age discrimination so a player may have a 10yr "college" career.

As employees, with school attendance not involved, what gives the league the right to say "your eligibility is finished?" Why?

Employee status is when the school connection is completely broken. Schools shouldn't be in the pro sports business.

I got no problem with that. If they aren't students but employees, they can stay as long as they want or we can trade/release them. NFL-lite. What we're doing right now is trying to have it all and it's clearly not working for the schools, fans and coaches. It's time to just rip the band-aide off and employ these guys as athletes and skip the "student" pretense. It would make things so much simpler to treat this as a business and be done with it.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

If the SEC and B1G and a few others leave, the NCAA can't really do much. The SEC and B1G have already talked about "the way forward" and I'm certain that's come up.

Once they go, it'll be easier for the minor players to "choose sides" and hopefully form something that looks a little more like college sports than pro sports.

If by "college sports", you mean a return to the NCAA's illegal, exploitation that they called "amateur", that's not going to happen.

 

[ntxVOL]

JMO but, I don't think anything resembling an NFL lite will last. That will be the downfall of college football as we know it and it will all come crashing down.

But that could also be a good thing, maybe college football will then return to its roots with much less money to throw around.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If by "college sports", you mean a return to the NCAA's illegal, exploitation that they called "amateur", that's not going to happen.

That bell isn't unringing and NIL and the portal aren't going anywhere for current NCAA schools.

What is true is that most athletic departments DON'T make millions every year and many lose money, so "revenue sharing" would likely be minimal or non-existent. You can't share revenue you aren't making or splitting $100k or whatever among several sports isn't a lot of money per student.

Schools with much smaller fanbases aren't going to have a big NIL collective, if any. There's not a lot of huge donors just dying to see their school win some obscure conference. Besides, if your offers are NW Nowhere State and SW Nobody College, you're probably not going to be "fought over" via NIL deals.

And transfer as much as you want but there's a very good chance NOW you won't find a new school and it's even riskier if you are low on the talent scale.

Revenue sharing, NIL, and guys leaping from teams for more money is really only a problem for rich schools and highly talented athletes.

Most schools athletic departments aren't rich and most athletes in college aren't that talented so....... it really does resemble old college ball before media contracts destroyed it.

 

[tellicoflash]

I quit watching MLB after their strike in the mid-90’s. Haven’t watched a game since then and couldn’t name 5 players now.

SAME HERE!!!

 

[tellicoflash]

I quit watching MLB after their strike in the mid-90’s. Haven’t watched a game since then and couldn’t name 5 player