How about this treatment of Palin?

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rjd970 said:
Maybe you should be bit**ing about Bush instead? If our polls are to be trusted, we are going to see an Obama president come January, and there is not much McCain can do about it, save something major happens. For all you hate about Obama, the only reason he is a viable candidate is because of what has happened the last 8 years. Everybody is quick to bash Obama, but the village idiot currently in charge is the one who has set the stage to this point. Argue whether it is his fault or not, but this is what is turning people to the left:

- 2 wars we can't afford (or at least aren't paying for)...

- Bin Laden still at large

- Economic woes

- unemployment

- doubling of the national debt

How responsible Bush is for anyone of these is debatable, but they did happen under his watch.

This election is just as much about a referendum on Bush and the republican leadership as it is about anything else.

Instead of "I hate Obama because of .....", I think it would be more appropriate for all the Obama haters to say "I hate Bush, because his dumb@$$ policies are causing this idiotic Obama captivation."
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You need to pay attention. I assure you I've eviscerated Bush plenty. Your wars comment is dead wrong and Bin Laden comment is immaterial, the other Bush should be creamed for.

That doesn't make Obama the right guy to do anything. That makes Bush an incompetent buffoon.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
You need to pay attention. I assure you I've eviscerated Bush plenty. Your wars comment is dead wrong and Bin Laden comment is immaterial, the other Bush should be creamed for.

That doesn't make Obama the right guy to do anything. That makes Bush an incompetent buffoon.
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I understand your not a big Bush fan, that is what I was appealing to. Whether Obama or McCain win this election it is because of Bush...I'm sure McCain isn't your favorite either....so the fact that we have a "socialist" and a "political dimwit" to choose from should be due to Bush, no? At the very least, it is due to that state we are in now under W's watch. It is not an accident that we have to choose between one who is polar opposite to Bush in political ideology and the other that is not the biggest conservative of the republican party. Obama is what he is, I know we don't agree on who is the lesser evil between him and McCain...but most of the anger from the Obama haters on this board should be directed at Bush if they really believe what they are peddling about Obama.

You may hate Obama, but Bush is the primary reason you have to deal with him in the first place.
 
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rjd970 said:
I understand your not a big Bush fan, that is what I was appealing to. Whether Obama or McCain win this election it is because of the Republicans...I'm sure McCain isn't your favorite either....so the fact that we have a "socialist" and a "political dimwit" to choose from should be due to the Republicans, no? At the very least, it is due to that state we are in now under the Republicans' watch. It is not an accident that we have to choose between one who is polar opposite to the Republicans in political ideology and the other that is not the biggest conservative of the republican party. Obama is what he is, I know we don't agree on who is the lesser evil between him and McCain...but most of the anger from the Obama haters on this board should be directed at the Republicans if they really believe what they are peddling about Obama.

You may hate Obama, but the Republicans are the primary reason you have to deal with him in the first place.
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#130
rjd970 said:
I understand your not a big Bush fan, that is what I was appealing to. Whether Obama or McCain win this election it is because of Bush...I'm sure McCain isn't your favorite either....so the fact that we have a "socialist" and a "political dimwit" to choose from should be due to Bush, no? At the very least, it is due to that state we are in now under W's watch. It is not an accident that we have to choose between one who is polar opposite to Bush in political ideology and the other that is not the biggest conservative of the republican party. Obama is what he is, I know we don't agree on who is the lesser evil between him and McCain...but most of the anger from the Obama haters on this board should be directed at Bush if they really believe what they are peddling about Obama.

You may hate Obama, but Bush is the primary reason you have to deal with him in the first place.
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as simple as I can make it. 2 wrongs has never produced a right. It just doesn't make sense. This election is a discreet event, not one dependent upon the last administration.
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TennNC said:
1. so if a NYT piece supports your gut feelings about the man, you're for it. Otherwise, you're against it.

4. so really, it's not ayers' terrorist past that you're connecting to Obama but his Socialist tendencies? And you're upset that a socialist is going to become president - a socialist endorsed by warren buffet and robert rubin.

i guess i touched a nerve.
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When have I ever said I supported anything in the NYT?
Answer never.

I don't give a damn who supports Obama.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This election is a discreet event, not one dependent upon the last administration.
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With all due respect, I think you are dead wrong...at least with this election. Major strategies on both campaigns have been distancing themselves from Bush and one campaign is doing all it can to paint the other as another 4 years. It very well could turn out that Bush defeats McCain yet again.
 
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rjd970 said:
With all due respect, I think you are dead wrong...at least with this election. Major strategies on both campaigns have been distancing themselves from Bush and one campaign is doing all it can to paint the other as another 4 years. It very well could turn out that Bush defeats McCain yet again.
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forget why they're voting, it's still a stupid vote and an even stupider reason. I've said it a lot. We're electing Obama because he isn't Bush, not because Obama is Obama. That's the rationale of a third greater voting for homeroom roll caller, not someone after legit leadership.
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BigPapaVol said:
forget why they're voting, it's still a stupid vote and an even stupider reason. I've said it a lot. We're electing Obama because he isn't Bush, not because Obama is Obama.
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I agree with your first sentence, but that doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. As far the the bold part of your statement, how do you say that and then assert that the election isn't dependent upon the previous administration? It isn't to me or you, but as a whole, there will be a significant amount of people that will make that stupid vote....with this election, the dynamics of it is not discrete.
 
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rjd970 said:
I agree with your first sentence, but that doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. As far the the bold part of your statement, how do you say that and then assert that the election isn't dependent upon the previous administration? It isn't to me or you, but as a whole, there will be a significant amount of people that will make that stupid vote....with this election, the dynamics of it is not discrete.
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I'm not saying it will be discrete. I'm saying it should be, but that people are too shortsighted to make it so.
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TennNC said:
what do you want me to say? seriously, if you could control my brain, what would I think about Obama's relationship with Ayers?
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Say what you wish, just looks silly at some point. Is Obama just the unluckiest person in the world in regards to who ends up being his friends and associates?
 
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allvol123 said:
Say what you wish, just looks silly at some point. Is Obama just the unluckiest person in the world in regards to who ends up being his friends and associates?
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No - what do you want me to think? What do you want voters to think because of this relationship? That Obama secretly endorses the Weather Underground? What is it?
 
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TennNC said:
No - what do you want me to think? What do you want voters to think because of this relationship? That Obama secretly endorses the Weather Underground? What is it?
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Your point is taken but I believe you miss the posters point. If you hang around black supremacists, radicals who commit acts of of terror doesn't that reflect on you and your beliefs in any way? Here is an analogy, if you hang around people who carry guns and sell crack on the street doesn't that make you very likely to be a part of the violence and drug problem as well?
 
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KB5252 said:
Your point is taken but I believe you miss the posters point. If you hang around black supremacists, radicals who commit acts of of terror doesn't that reflect on you and your beliefs in any way? Here is an analogy, if you hang around people who carry guns and sell crack on the street doesn't that make you very likely to be a part of the violence and drug problem as well?
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I understand your point, and my point is that his relationships with these people is overblown. I think the McCain campaign and those opposed to Obama are trying to convince you that Obama's a bad guy b/c of these people he has known and worked with.

Bill Ayers now is not the Bill Ayers of the late 60s. More than 3,000 college professors are vouching for him now (Suppport4 Bill Ayers). Obama had nothing to do with what happened in the late 60s. That's obvious. And he's denounced those acts repeatedly. Ayers is now actually well respected in the Chicago community, and the fact that he hosted one single "meet and greet" for Obama is innocuous. Besides that, they served on a board together along with a slew of conservatives and college presidents.

Jeremiah Wright is an attention whore and someone who riles people up (which Obama has denounced repeatedly), but he also does a lot of good in his community. I believe Obama was using him to get political access - just like McCain was happy to get access from Falwell, and Hagee and Parsley before he realized they were nutty too. That might be creepy, but it's part of the game.

KB, you're one of the good guys, and if it comes out that Obama secretly was sympathetic toward racism, terrorism, etc., and brings our country down for this then I'll be the first to say I was dead wrong.

Hate his policies (many on here do). But I think the hatred and uncertainty about Obama as a person is misplaced.
 
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I can see the argument that the purported Obama - Ayers relationship doesn't really exist, but the argument that he's a decent human is garbage.

He's an unrepentant terrorist piece of garbage who had no compunction whatsoever about harming innocent American citizens. 3,000 college professors don't change that fact one iota.
 
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#146
TennNC said:
No - what do you want me to think? What do you want voters to think because of this relationship? That Obama secretly endorses the Weather Underground? What is it?
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I prefer voters and people in general realize that personal associations say very much about someone's judgement and philosophies.
 
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