How Did Louisville Get More D Talent Than UT?

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Vol logic said:
Not to belittle you but Louisville has over 1.3 million residents and is a much more happening town than Knoxville. Like comparing Nashville to Knoxville. U of L is not a dump like the UK people would like for you to believe, however, they should never eclipse to orange in football, ever.
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U of L really isn't that great.
 
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ACvol3 said:
It's not as much about talent as it is about sunseri being the worst d coordinator in the history if football.. How else would we get that much worse in a year with the same players, plus a lot more depth?
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Bingo
 
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ACvol3 said:
It's not as much about talent as it is about sunseri being the worst d coordinator in the history if football.. How else would we get that much worse in a year with the same players, plus a lot more depth?
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Also exactly why our d will be the best improved defense in the nation.
 
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Not taking up for Sal at all because he was horrible but you cannot coach SPEED and we lack it
 
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USMC_0311 said:
I truly feel that we have more talent on both sides of the ball than Louisville. We just didn't have the coaching.
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When you say this, do you mean that Sunseri coached our defensive players to not get lined up, give up contain, get blocked easily, and tackle terribly?
Louisville had players that can run and hit. That was the difference in them and us. And MUCH better play at QB for Louisville. They may not have a Patterson on their roster, but their overall talent is better than Tennessee.
 
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PimpVol said:
When you say this, do you mean that Sunseri coached our defensive players to not get lined up, give up contain, get blocked easily, and tackle terribly?
Louisville had players that can run and hit. That was the difference in them and us. And MUCH better play at QB for Louisville. They may not have a Patterson on their roster, but their overall talent is better than Tennessee.
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This.

I'm tired of hearing our talent is better but our coaching is worse. At some point you have to conclude that our talent is lacking. Our pass rush has been nonexistent the past few years. Our secondary is slow and can't tackle. It's not a sin for Vol fans to call a spade a spade.
 
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Voldemonium said:
This.

I'm tired of hearing our talent is better but our coaching is worse. At some point you have to conclude that our talent is lacking. Our pass rush has been nonexistent the past few years. Our secondary is slow and can't tackle. It's not a sin for Vol fans to call a spade a spade.
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Excellent post. We need a big upgrade in talent on defense.
 
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Voldemonium said:
This.

I'm tired of hearing our talent is better but our coaching is worse. At some point you have to conclude that our talent is lacking. Our pass rush has been nonexistent the past few years. Our secondary is slow and can't tackle. It's not a sin for Vol fans to call a spade a spade.
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I think Strong would take our defensive talent over his at Louisville in a heartbeat. Our players were having to think too much and (when they aren't super fast to begin with) being out of position and indecisive made them look even slower.
 
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The same UL team that got beat by Uconn, and destroyed by Syracuse? They had a good day against UF and things went their way. I would put UT's talent up against UL's anyday of the week. A capable coach makes all the difference. IMO, we have one now.
 
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If the Gators played like they played the Vols I don't think Louisville's defense would have looked so great. The Gators forgot to show up for the game.
 
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Even though Louisville has 33 players from Florida on their roster, they don't have more talent that UT. They are just better developed and coached. Guarantee you if you break down the Louisville and UT defense, we have more higher ranked players as far as the famous star system goes.
 
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ACvol3 said:
It's not as much about talent as it is about sunseri being the worst d coordinator in the history if football.. How else would we get that much worse in a year with the same players, plus a lot more depth?
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It could've been worse.

Imagine our OC Clawson...DC Sunseri.
 
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TNV said:
Not taking up for Sal at all because he was horrible but you cannot coach SPEED and we lack it
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You can coach speed. The S&C coach has a lot to do about the speed of a team. When Stuckey was the S&C at Tennessee, his coaching emphasized doing everything fast which affects the explosiveness of the muscles. One can become very strong, but if you do not work with speed you usually lose your quickness and speed. Our previous S&C coach had our guys strong, but we were not quick, fast , and did not have a lot of stamina. I am interested to see how we perform after Winter workouts. I expect to see improvement in all areas of S&C.
 
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Louisville has better players. They played Florida better, with those better players. Anything else is an excuse or complaint, both of which are equally useless.
 
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TNV said:
Not taking up for Sal at all because he was horrible but you cannot coach SPEED and we lack it
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You could have 11 Usain Bolts on the field, and they are going to look like they are getting smoked if they are out of position, taking bad pursuit angles and missing coverage assignments.

You can not coach speed, but you can coach to mostly neutralize the speed advantages of the other team.

The 2012 Tennessee defense was one of the most undisciplined, unaware "top" collegiate squads I can remember watching in recent memory. They were truly embarrassing.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
The same UL team that got beat by Uconn, and destroyed by Syracuse? They had a good day against UF and things went their way. I would put UT's talent up against UL's anyday of the week. A capable coach makes all the difference. IMO, we have one now.
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I'm not picking on you but we are the UT team that lost to Mizzou, lost to MissSt for the first time in 20yrs, gave up 700yds of offense to Troy, and got blasted by Vandy. We have a lot of players that look the part. Jac Smith looks like an all SEC DE yet I can probably count his career sacks on one hand. Same goes for Corey Miller.

Our secondary doesn't remotely resemble an SEC defense. I saw Louiville corners rallying to the ball with speed. Brian Moore, Justin Coleman, Eric Gordon, etc got burned more than any Tennessee defense in history and they don't wrap up when they tackle. They got burned when Wilcox was here too so even though Sunseri sucked their failure wasn't all on him. By all accounts they're good kids but NONE of them would sniff the field at Bama, LSU, UF. I'm not saying we need a team of Janzen Jacksons and Eric Berrys but we absolutely need some ballers. There's not a single CP on the entire defense.

Again, there's nothing wrong with making an honest assessment of where we're at. Dooley did not re-stock the pantry at UT. If Bray, Patterson, & Hunter go pro, the only area that we're better than when Dooley arrived will be the O-line.
 
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I watched a replay of the UGA game the other day. Two things that jumped out at me were the bad angles and bad situational play calling. MANY times we took a pizz poor angle allowing the UGA RB to take what should have been a 10-12 yd run for 80 yds. Also for some reason on 3rd and long, Sal felt the need to leave one safety deep, resulting in Moore being late with the help over the top and making both the safety and CBs looking bad. When in reality it was 99.9% scheme...or lack there of.

I've said it before and I'll say it again....think CLAWFENSE! In 08' we returned the best o-line in the entire nation. Along with Arian Foster, Hardesty, Gerald Jones, D. Moore, and Luke Stocker. Team was absolutely loaded and ready for a SEC, possibly a NC run. But hey, I'm sure since we lost to Wyoming that our talent was inferior to theirs (sarcasm). Sometimes I wonder if some of these people even watch football.
 
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RichRollin said:
I watched a replay of the UGA game the other day. Two things that jumped out at me were the bad angles and bad situational play calling. MANY times we took a pizz poor angle allowing the UGA RB to take what should have been a 10-12 yd run for 80 yds. Also for some reason on 3rd and long, Sal felt the need to leave one safety deep, resulting in Moore being late with the help over the top and making both the safety and CBs looking bad. When in reality it was 99.9% scheme...or lack there of.

I've said it before and I'll say it again....think CLAWFENSE! In 08' we returned the best o-line in the entire nation. Along with Arian Foster, Hardesty, Gerald Jones, and Luke Stocker. Team was absolutely loaded and ready for a SEC, possibly a NC run. But hey, I'm sure since we lost to Wyoming that our talent was inferior to theirs (sarcasm). Sometimes I wonder if some of these people even watch football.
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Clawson and Sunseri...maybe we got that out of our system now.

btw...agree RR.
 
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Voldemonium said:
I'm not picking on you but we are the UT team that lost to Mizzou, lost to MissSt for the first time in 20yrs, gave up 700yds of offense to Troy, and got blasted by Vandy. We have a lot of players that look the part. Jac Smith looks like an all SEC DE yet I can probably count his career sacks on one hand. Same goes for Corey Miller.

Our secondary doesn't remotely resemble an SEC defense. I saw Louiville corners rallying to the ball with speed. Brian Moore, Justin Coleman, Eric Gordon, etc got burned more than any Tennessee defense in history and they don't wrap up when they tackle. They got burned when Wilcox was here too so even though Sunseri sucked their failure wasn't all on him. By all accounts they're good kids but NONE of them would sniff the field at Bama, LSU, UF. I'm not saying we need a team of Janzen Jacksons and Eric Berrys but we absolutely need some ballers. There's not a single CP on the entire defense.

Again, there's nothing wrong with making an honest assessment of where we're at. Dooley did not re-stock the pantry at UT. If Bray, Patterson, & Hunter go pro, the only area that we're better than when Dooley arrived will be the O-line.
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So did Wyoming have more talent than UT in 08'? No, it's called coaching. Most of these DBs we had were offered by some of the major programs you just mentioned.Sal's scheme had these kids so screwed up and out of position that they didn't know if they were coming or going. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a fact.
 
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Voldemonium said:
This.

I'm tired of hearing our talent is better but our coaching is worse. At some point you have to conclude that our talent is lacking. Our pass rush has been nonexistent the past few years. Our secondary is slow and can't tackle. It's not a sin for Vol fans to call a spade a spade.
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Pass rushing and especially tackling are skills that can be taught. I would never equate poor tackling to talent - unless you equate talent with the ability to be coached.

IMO, the biggest issues with the Dooley-lead Vols was the attitude and sense of team. He did not look confident on field. He did not manage the game confidently. Simply put, there was no air of swagger about anything UT football related in his era.

Attitude matters A LOT. It affects effort and mental focus during the games. It also impacts how teams practice, strength train, study film,etc. The thing that stood out the most to me in watching the LU-UF game was that LU was not intimidated AT ALL by the Gators. They had their own swagger. They were purpose-driven from the first snap and all the jawing and d*@% swinging by Florida had no effect on it.

Talent matters, but there is NO DOUBT in my mind that a better coaching staff could take the exact same roster that Dooley had over the last three years and squeeze at least 5-6 more wins out of it. Yes, I know we expect more, but you have to start somewhere.
 
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