How do we win in Afghanistan?

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volfanhill said:
Yep it was good
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Not only that, but basically said we would turn to India to help out. That's not only poking Pakistan in the eye, but using a piece of rock salt to do it.

Good speech, of course the pundits are already saying "well, how?!?!?!?!?!"
 
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Grand Vol said:
So far, Trump has a pretty good speech. Scripted of course...
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Still think its time to pull out. If we're concerned about Iraq 2.0 after we pull out than leave a smaller force (Special Forces, Rangers, Airborne styled units) and the USAF to strike at radical groups. It is time to pull the mass conventional forces out IMO.
 
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I didn't vote for Donald but I am a veteran. And that speech is what people in the military have been saying for almost 2 decades now. Glad someone finally had the balls to say on live tv in front of the world exactly what most people in the service feel. We are tired of politics and playing nice. Let us do our **** job.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Not only that, but basically said we would turn to India to help out. That's not only poking Pakistan in the eye, but using a piece of rock salt to do it.

Good speech, of course the pundits are already saying "well, how?!?!?!?!?!"
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I missed the speech, but that's a legitimate question. It's a quagmire. There is no success there.

What is the definition of winning and criteria that we leave? Ever?

Not an anti Trump question. Not a GOP or Dem issue. Just endless.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I missed the speech, but that's a legitimate question. It's a quagmire. There is no success there.

What is the definition of winning and criteria that we leave? Ever?

Not an anti Trump question. Not a GOP or Dem issue. Just endless.
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He explained what winning meant in his speech
 
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I also like that we're apparently getting rid of timelines and will not talk about numbers of troops, only conditions will matter, not time tables.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I missed the speech, but that's a legitimate question. It's a quagmire. There is no success there.

What is the definition of winning and criteria that we leave? Ever?

Not an anti Trump question. Not a GOP or Dem issue. Just endless.
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A legitimate question that he seems to be leaving up to Mattis and other experts on how to conduct. As for the criteria we use to leave, he made mention it was conditionally based instead of time based. As to what conditions, my guess is the Pentagon will release that or it's still being formulated.

I wouldn't suggest you watch the speech. Not enough screech worthy moments for you.

The other day, I made the comment he was punting the decision on Afghanistan like the other two Presidents had. I have to say, I could be very wrong on that comment. Time will tell.
 
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Grand Vol said:
A legitimate question that he seems to be leaving up to Mattis and other experts on how to conduct. As for the criteria we use to leave, he made mention it was conditionally based instead of time based. As to what conditions, my guess is the Pentagon will release that or it's still being formulated.

I wouldn't suggest you watch the speech. Not enough screech worthy moments for you.

The other day, I made the comment he was punting the decision on Afghanistan like the other two Presidents had. I have to say, I could be very wrong on that comment. Time will tell.
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What you described sounds like punting to me.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What you described sounds like punting to me.
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We made the same mistake in Iraq with setting a timetable on the withdrawal. The insurgent groups over there just waited us out before coming out in force after we left.

Why don't we wait a few days for more detailed information before deciding it's a punt. That'd be kind of nice for a change since it worked with North Korea.
 
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It was a good speech. I'm glad he called our Pakistan and committed to troop numbers being tied to conditions on the ground. But I wish he had called out Iran and Russia the same way. Both have operatives in Afghanistan working against our objectives and helping the Taliban.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Missed it.

What's the standard by which we will measure winning ?
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Just stop, please.

There is no reason for you to act like a damn child right now. Even Obama didn't ever discuss specifics on what he was going to do. So, please STFU for a change.
 
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Grand Vol said:
We made the same mistake in Iraq with setting a timetable on the withdrawal. The insurgent groups over there just waited us out before coming out in force after we left.

Why don't we wait a few days for more detailed information before deciding it's a punt. That'd be kind of nice for a change since it worked with North Korea.
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Ok.

From what you are saying, trump basically said it sucks. What we've done hasn't worked. We will send some more troops. We will have some conditions.

We don't know what they are yet.

This is not anti Trump. This is me saying fine, if you want to say we will have a b c goals in order to leave. But we need to know the goals.

Sounds to me like he punted on the issue of what the goals are. Which is the key.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Just stop, please.

There is no reason for you to act like a damn child right now. Even Obama didn't ever discuss specifics on what he was going to do. So, please STFU for a change.
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Then what was the point of the speech?!?!?!?

Come on, don't make it partisan. Just WTF does "enduring outcome" or whatever mean? Real results? What results.

What you are telling me is that he said nothing of any substance.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ok.

From what you are saying, trump basically said it sucks. What we've done hasn't worked. We will send some more troops. We will have some conditions.

We don't know what they are yet.

This is not anti Trump. This is me saying fine, if you want to say we will have a b c goals in order to leave. But we need to know the goals.

Sounds to me like he punted on the issue of what the goals are. Which is the key.
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See my post above. Let the man give his speech tonight and deal with the minutia in a couple of days.

Have a nice cup of STFU at the moment and be glad he's no longer nation building, is calling out Pakistan for what it is and is attempting to bring other nations instead of us bearing all the risks.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Then what was the point of the speech?!?!?!?

Come on, don't make it partisan. Just WTF does "enduring outcome" or whatever mean? Real results? What results.

What you are telling me is that he said nothing of any substance.
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Pakistan we will revoke aide if you don't get your **** together

India step to the plate

Handcuffs off generals and service people to do what they see fit

Destruction of terrorists
 
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