How good is Cooper Flagg?

#77
#77
He was in a wheelchair going to get tests run at halftime.
Dook already has one of their other stars out.
Obviously, they will keep it close to the vest going forward, but I’d be surprised if he plays the rest of the ACCT.
 
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n_huffhines said:
He just barely turned 18. You're not supposed to be elite skill-wise for another 7 years, after you've played in 300+ NBA games and had a couple good playoff runs.
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If it takes him 7 years to develop an elite skill, then I doubt it happens. I just think players reach that level much younger now than 10-15 years ago. I think he's more of good to great at several facets but elite at none. I think he's going to be a very valuable player and a winner...I just don't think he's "generational".
 
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BillyHoyleVol said:
If it takes him 7 years to develop an elite skill, then I doubt it happens. I just think players reach that level much younger now than 10-15 years ago. I think he's more of good to great at several facets but elite at none. I think he's going to be a very valuable player and a winner...I just don't think he's "generational".
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Jayson Tatum is the perfect example. The guy was a great talent, he was good right away on a team playing serious basketball, he played in a million playoff games, and it still took him until age 25 to crack the NBA's top 5 players. He's the prototype for player development, in terms of initial talent and an organization setting him up to max that talent. It still took 7-8 years fo him to develop his only elite skill. He's had enough reps now that he's elite at running offense. Although I think they play quite a bit differently, he and Cooper are kinda great at everything.

However, Cooper is way ahead of Tatum at this point, in terms of skill at running offense...
 
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05_never_again said:
He's definitely one of the best college players of the one-and-done era. I don't know if he's better than Carmelo Anthony or Kevin Durant, but he's up there.
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The thing about Melo and why he is the best one and done to me is that Syracuse was not expected to do much all season and then they ran in and knocked off Texas in the tourney and then won the title.

Durant / Texas were basically a top 15 team all season start to finish.

Flagg / Duke were top 5-8 all year this year.

Syracuse and Melo didn't enter the top 25 until 2 weeks into January 2003
 
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JMSqb11 said:
The thing about Melo and why he is the best one and done to me is that Syracuse was not expected to do much all season and then they ran in and knocked off Texas in the tourney and then won the title.

Durant / Texas were basically a top 15 team all season start to finish.

Flagg / Duke were top 5-8 all year this year.

Syracuse and Melo didn't enter the top 25 until 2 weeks into January 2003
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He certainly did have a Cam Newton-type impact on his team and the sport the year he played. Auburn wasn't expected to do all that much that year either and was probably a 7 or 8 win team (maybe worse) without him.

I don't remember as much about that 2003 Cuse team - they might not have been a mediocre team without Melo, but they certainly don't win or even sniff a title without him.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
The thing about Melo and why he is the best one and done to me is that Syracuse was not expected to do much all season and then they ran in and knocked off Texas in the tourney and then won the title.

Durant / Texas were basically a top 15 team all season start to finish.

Flagg / Duke were top 5-8 all year this year.

Syracuse and Melo didn't enter the top 25 until 2 weeks into January 2003
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But Syracuse was just underrated, is all that means to me. Warrick and GMac were such good college players. They went F4 the next year without him.
 
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05_never_again said:
He certainly did have a Cam Newton-type impact on his team and the sport the year he played. Auburn wasn't expected to do all that much that year either and was probably a 7 or 8 win team (maybe worse) without him.

I don't remember as much about that 2003 Cuse team - they might not have been a mediocre team without Melo, but they certainly don't win or even sniff a title without him.
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Syracuse was mediocre the year before but they brought in McNamara the same class as Melo who was a big part of that core for years. They also had Hakim Warrick already on campus. I’d imagine they would have been an at-large team
 
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Flagg is good , but the team is deep. They are a very solid squad. Them and Florida are the deepest teams. Could they both lose absolutely, but will they ? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Should be a heck of a final when they meet, and they will meet.
 
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He is IMO as good if not better , even at 18 years old, as any college player Ive ever seen. Ive watched a lot of basketball . Played a lot of basketball. Saw Jerry West and Kareen in Final Fours in person. Larry Bird. Magic Johnson. Saw Michael Jordan in person in ACC games; Flagg in the current game as played is a phenomenal talent and dominator. I hate Duke. Seriously hate Duke. But this guy is really something IMO. YOMV
 
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AllMidSouth said:
He is IMO as good if not better , even at 18 years old, as any college player Ive ever seen. Ive watched a lot of basketball . Played a lot of basketball. Saw Jerry West and Kareen in Final Fours in person. Larry Bird. Magic Johnson. Saw Michael Jordan in person in ACC games; Flagg in the current game as played is a phenomenal talent and dominator. I hate Duke. Seriously hate Duke. But this guy is really something IMO. YOMV
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YOMV?

Honestly it's crazy that you've seen all those guys!

What he did to the USA A team with the B squad at 17 years old was actually insane. NBA All-Stars could not contain him.
 
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AllMidSouth said:
He is IMO as good if not better , even at 18 years old, as any college player Ive ever seen. Ive watched a lot of basketball . Played a lot of basketball. Saw Jerry West and Kareen in Final Fours in person. Larry Bird. Magic Johnson. Saw Michael Jordan in person in ACC games; Flagg in the current game as played is a phenomenal talent and dominator. I hate Duke. Seriously hate Duke. But this guy is really something IMO. YOMV
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C'mon, Larry Bird took a bunch of plumbers at Indiana State to an undefeated season and the Championship game vs Magic and MI State which they lost by less than 10 points. Bird had a coach who was barely over .500 wins in his career. He had nothing.

Flagg is playing at Duke with a more than decent set of teammates.

An honorable mention: Steph Curry at Davidson had little support and some teams would run a triangle and 2, double teaming Curry the whole game. In 2008, they knocked off Georgetown and Wisconsin before running into Kansas and losing by 2 points.

Flagg is good, very good, but he's no Larry Bird as a college player.
 
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