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#51
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Unimane said:
Yes, he's better than last year, but he was simply god awful then. He still can't throw an out route and one could see the noticeable difference in a QB with some zip when Peterson threw his one pass. Worley has to wind up to get some oomph behind the ball and that isn't happening against the meat of our schedule. I really wish Peterson could get it together mentally, because he has the physical tools needed to compete in the SEC.
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Are we really going there?

Worley throws a catchable football. With the weapons we have on the outside, he doesn't need Bray-like arm talent to be successful. Casey Clausen's wounded duck says hi.

The leadership, crisp release, tight spiral, and command of the offense are all there. That's all we need right now to be a good football team.

And this is coming from someone who called for Worley's head on more than a few occasions last year and felt Dobbs should have been the starter after spring practice.
 
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Vol8188 said:
1. We don't have a Peterson.

2. He threw two out routes in a row to Pearson and completed both.

3. I'm not sure why you are so obsessed with throwing an out route.

4. Everyone all night raved about how quick he got rid of the ball, and you're claiming his release is too slow? Wtf were you watching?
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Peterman, whatever. He has a better arm.

The out, among other throws, demonstrates the type of arm necessary to make passes necessary against much better competition than tonight.

Who is "everyone", because it isn't too hard to note that Worley needs to wind up to throw a longer throw than 15 yards. He got the ball out quick when he was throwing dink passes for much of the second half.

This team is clearly getting better and I'm loving the talent infusion I saw tonight, but they need a better QB than Worley to get back to prominence.
 
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Unimane said:
Peterman, whatever. He has a better arm.

The out, among other throws, demonstrates the type of arm necessary to make passes necessary against much better competition than tonight.

Who is "everyone", because it isn't too hard to note that Worley needs to wind up to throw a longer throw than 15 yards. He got the ball out quick when he was throwing dink passes for much of the second half.

This team is clearly getting better and I'm loving the talent infusion I saw tonight, but they need a better QB than Worley to get back to prominence.
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I honestly have no idea what game you were watching.

Worley was literally flicking the ball out all night. Fastest release I've seen from him. And a much faster release than Bray who had that "wind up" motion you speak of his entire career.
 
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UTodd01 said:
Are we really going there?

Worley throws a catchable football. With the weapons we have on the outside, he doesn't need Bray-like arm talent to be successful. Casey Clausen's wounded duck says hi.

The leadership, crisp release, tight spiral, and command of the offense are all there. That's all we need right now to be a good football team.

And this is coming from someone who called for Worley's head on more than a few occasions last year and felt Dobbs should have been the starter after spring practice.
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He threw plenty of terrible balls in the first half until they starting having him do bubble screens and swing passes.

When we start playing good football teams, people are going to realize that throwing for a moderate amount of yards on little dink passes against a Mountain West team wasn't anything to get too excited about. We need to prepare for the fact that this offense is going to struggle a lot against good football teams and the limitations of Worley is a big reason for this.
 
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I'm going with your title on this thread. I'm surprised people haven't mentioned Weatherd, I was very impressed with him tonight.
 
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Unimane said:
Or slightly under, 9.8. I do like our WRs, though. They will be good for some YAC. Pearson will be a good one.
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They may have updated the stats, but Volquest and UT Sports have been reporting 27 completions for more than 270 yards.

Either way, not a shabby result.

Sounds like we agree that the WRs will be the difference maker. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few performances by that group similar to what we saw in some key games during the 2006 season (short passes turned into long TDs).
 
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UTodd01 said:
I honestly have no idea what game you were watching.

Worley was literally flicking the ball out all night. Fastest release I've seen from him. And a much faster release than Bray who had that "wind up" motion you speak of his entire career.
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Bray would have had 400 yards against this team tonight. Worley flicked a bunch of short passes. He has to wind up for anything of any appreciable distance.
 
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VOLinCO said:
They may have updated the stats, but Volquest and UT Sports have been reporting 27 completions for more than 270 yards.

Either way, not a shabby result.

Sounds like we agree that the WRs will be the difference maker. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few performances by that group similar to what we saw in some key games during the 2006 season (short passes turned into long TDs).
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I hope so. I worry that not having a QB who can get them the ball deep to them will be a big issue with faster, stronger defenses.
 
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Unimane said:
He threw plenty of terrible balls in the first half until they starting having him do bubble screens and swing passes.

When we start playing good football teams, people are going to realize that throwing for a moderate amount of yards on little dink passes against a Mountain West team wasn't anything to get too excited about. We need to prepare for the fact that this offense is going to struggle a lot against good football teams and the limitations of Worley is a big reason for this.
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There are QB's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame that made a career out of drinking and dunking teams to death up and down the field. Steve McNair, my personal favorite QB of all time, won MVP doing it.

Matt Leinart is considered an all time great college QB and had comparable arm talent to Worley.

Casey Clausen is probably the 4th best QB UT has ever had and he couldn't throw a spiral to save his life.

Catch my drift?
 
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UTodd01 said:
There are QB's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame that made a career out of drinking and dunking teams to death up and down the field. Steve McNair, my personal favorite QB of all time, won MVP doing it.

Matt Leinart is considered an all time great college QB and had comparable arm talent to Worley.

Casey Clausen is probably the 4th best QB UT has ever had and he couldn't throw a spiral to save his life.

Catch my drift?
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McNair had an arm Worley could only dream of, plus great mobility. Leinhart had an NFL All-Pro team surrounding him, then tanked as an NFL QB when talent evened out and he had to rely on his arm to make a difference. Clausen could throw a spiral, which doesn't matter anyway, and had a very good arm. Catch my drift?

Didn't we all go through this overly optimistic stage last year before our trip to Eugene? Worley is what he is, a decidedly mediocre college QB.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I hope Worley continues to surprise me but I have this nagging feeling that his performance tonight is about as good as it's going to get for him. Not trying to be negative or anything, just being honest. I think if anyone thinks he's going to waltz into a place like Oklahoma, Georgia, Ole Miss, etc and win they're nuts. I'm encouraged by our team's overall improvement from last year but IF everyone stays relatively healthy, I still think is at best a 7-5 team but 6-6 or even 5-7 wouldn't surprise me.
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He played well enough to beat a top ten USC team last year. He has an improved defense and much better targets this year, why would you not expect him to play well enough to win in those games?
 
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VOLinCO said:
They may have updated the stats, but Volquest and UT Sports have been reporting 27 completions for more than 270 yards.

Either way, not a shabby result.

Sounds like we agree that the WRs will be the difference maker. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few performances by that group similar to what we saw in some key games during the 2006 season (short passes turned into long TDs).
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Swain and Meachem(apologies if misspelled) made some DB's look like rag dolls on those curl routes that year. Man coverage, DB right on their back, they plant their foot, turn, catch the ball, then they'd use the other guys momentum to against them and fling them off like a judo master. Haha That Cal game always stood out to me.
 
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Unimane said:
McNair had an arm Worley could only dream of, plus great mobility. Leinhart had an NFL All-Pro team surrounding him, then tanked as an NFL QB when talent evened out and he had to rely on his arm to make a difference. Clausen could throw a spiral, which doesn't matter anyway, and had a very good arm. Catch my drift?

Didn't we all go through this overly optimistic stage last year before our trip to Eugene? Worley is what he is, a decidedly mediocre college QB.
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Something tells me you never saw Iceman play.

He threw up wounded ducks to his talented WR's and won a bunch of games doing it.

Yes Leinart tanked in the NFL because he didn't have the arm strength. Luckily, UT doesn't play the Ravens next week.

I think you need to raise the white flag on this one.
 
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As long as the coaches find a way to make Worley serviceable enough to get UT through 6 wins, I'll be a fairly happy camper this year.
 
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UTodd01 said:
Something tells me you never saw Iceman play.

He threw up wounded ducks to his talented WR's and won a bunch of games doing it.

Yes Leinart tanked in the NFL because he didn't have the arm strength. Luckily, UT doesn't play the Ravens next week.

I think you need to raise the white flag on this one.
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Clausen is the most underrated QB in UT history and made some great deep throws, if you bothered to pay attention. If Worley has Reggie Bush, LenDale White, etc., etc. surrounding him, then I won't be concerned about having similar arm strength as Leinhart (a more accurate passer). Does he, or is he behind a brand new line with a former walk-on at tackle?

I think you are vastly overrating your ability to argue and evidence to support your point in demanding a surrender.
 
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In all honesty, the missed long balls will be fixed with chemistry. What bothered me, was the drops.
 
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#68
Vol8188 said:
He played well enough to beat a top ten USC team last year. He has an improved defense and much better targets this year, why would you not expect him to play well enough to win in those games?
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He was bailed out by some amazing plays by Marquez North on jump balls against South Carolina. Without North, he doesn't even get 100 yards.
 
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UTodd01 said:
Danny Wuerffel, David Greene, Chad Pennington

I could go on all night.
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Wuerffel threw lobs to a some of the best collection of WRs in SEC history. Spurrier had those guys running wide open all over the field. When Worley even sniffs a 300 yard game, I'll consider the comparison. Greene had a much better arm and Pennington played even worse teams than this Utah State one.

I could go on all night, too.
 
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Unimane said:
Clausen is the most underrated QB in UT history and made some great deep throws, if you bothered to pay attention. If Worley has Reggie Bush, LenDale White, etc., etc. surrounding him, then I won't be concerned about having similar arm strength as Leinhart (a more accurate passer). Does he, or is he behind a brand new line with a former walk-on at tackle?

I think you are vastly overrating your ability to argue and evidence to support your point in demanding a surrender.
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I think I've made my points and supported those points with sufficient evidence.

Do I need to go through the names again? I'll title it and bold it up real nice for you.

ALL TIME GREAT COLLEGE QUARTERBACKS WITH SIMILAR OR WORSE ARM TALENT THAN 2014 UT STARTING QUARTERBACK JUSTIN WORLEY

David Greene, UGA
Danny Wuerffel, UF
Matt Leinart, USC
Casey Clausen, UT
Tim Tebow, UF
Chad Pennington, Marshall
Colt Brennan, Hawaii

That's off the top of my head.
 
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Unimane said:
Wuerffel threw lobs to a some of the best collection of WRs in SEC history. Spurrier had those guys running wide open all over the field. When Worley even sniffs a 300 yard game, I'll consider the comparison. Greene had a much better arm and Pennington played even worse teams than this Utah State one.

I could go on all night, too.
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He "sniffed" a 300 yard game tonight. If he plays in the 4th he probably breaks 300.

Feeling tired yet?
 
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Unimane said:
Wuerffel threw lobs to a some of the best collection of WRs in SEC history. Spurrier had those guys running wide open all over the field. When Worley even sniffs a 300 yard game, I'll consider the comparison. Greene had a much better arm and Pennington played even worse teams than this Utah State one.

I could go on all night, too.
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273 isn't exactly far from 300.
 
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UTodd01 said:
I think I've made my points and supported those points with sufficient evidence.

Do I need to go through the names again? I'll title it and bold it up real nice for you.

ALL TIME GREAT COLLEGE QUARTERBACKS WITH SIMILAR OR WORSE ARM TALENT THAN 2014 UT STARTING QUARTERBACK JUSTIN WORLEY

David Greene, UGA
Danny Wuerffel, UF
Matt Leinart, USC
Casey Clausen, UT
Tim Tebow, UF
Chad Pennington, Marshall
Colt Brennan, Hawaii

That's off the top of my head.
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Do I really need to shoot down all of these guys? I've pretty much gone through that entire list. Haven't I sufficiently rendered your point moot?

Let's ask this question, though. How many of those guys have thrown for more than 300 yards in a game? I know how many Worley has and he's a senior, working on his second year of being the starter.
 
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UTodd01 said:
He "sniffed" a 300 yard game tonight. If he plays in the 4th he probably breaks 300.

Feeling tired yet?
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Why would I? I've pretty much killed all of your arguments. I'm more worried about getting bored.
 
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Unimane said:
He was bailed out by some amazing plays by Marquez North on jump balls against South Carolina. Without North, he doesn't even get 100 yards.
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Without Worley we don't get the win. Also if it leads us to a bowl game, who cares if Worley dinks and dunks all season? He is a senior and nobody is expecting him to be Peyton Manning. If he can perform like he did tonight, or close to it without turning the ball over very much, we will have a good season. Most of us are thinking 6-7 wins this season. Nobody is expecting a 10+ win season and to be competing in the east yet. Your analysis of Worley seems to come from a hating perspective. Our QB that will get us back to prominence is not even on campus yet. So what Worley cannot execute a perfect fade route?

Also this was the first game of the season. But I guess that doesn't matter.
 
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