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If this year is really a "throw away" and assuming "Butch gets it" then reasonably how long before we are a 10 win relevant team? Depth is a primary concern, this year and next. Some have said losing the lines will be too difficult to overcome next year as well.

Does that mean 3, 4, 5 or more years to 10 wins?
 
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If this year is really a "throw away" and assuming "Butch gets it" then reasonably how long before we are a 10 win relevant team? Depth is a primary concern, this year and next. Some have said losing the lines will be too difficult to overcome next year as well.

Does that mean 3, 4, 5 or more years to 10 wins?

I don't know if we will ever see 10 win seasons consistently anymore. Different league now.
 
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So much is riding on who our QB will be. This isn't a throwaway year if one of these kids takes the spot and shows legitimate promise.
 
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I think 2016 is the year. Definitely see us getting to 8 maybe 9 in 2015 but 2016 should be the year we get back to SEC champ level. Next year could be worse than this year with extreme youth movement but we'll be better for it in the future. Patience.
 
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Based on the history of the SEC in the past 20 years or so, Butch doesn't have long. Coaches who are successful here show signs of improvement in their first year and typically start fielding very competitive teams by year 2.

You're paid among the top of your profession. You're asking your boosters and ticket holders to keep paying top rates. This is the SEC. You don't get "throwaway years".

There is no reason to believe that a coach that doesn't show improvement quickly can continue bringing in high level recruits over the years and if you aren't doing that, you aren't building anything. James Franklin took over a 2 win team. Hugh Freeze took over a 2 win team. Neither had the resources (nor as highly paid a staff) as Butch Jones. You don't get "throwaway years."

The way some of you talk, I wonder what was the point of even firing Dooley.
 
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Alabama, LSU, Florida and Georgia do it every year. So can we.

You're right. We have just as good if not better facilities to appeal to recruits. It's just a matter of getting them on campus and selling it. Remember even Saint Nick went 7-6 his first year.
 
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So much is riding on who our QB will be. This isn't a throwaway year if one of these kids takes the spot and shows legitimate promise.

Yup. We've got to get someone who can be a rushing threat and confident passer in there. Worley just doesn't fit the offensive scheme but sadly that's the least of his problems. *cough cough* would the real josh Dobbs please stand up
 
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I think 2016 is the year. Definitely see us getting to 8 maybe 9 in 2015 but 2916 should be the year we get back to SEC champ level. Next year could be worse than this year with extreme youth movement but we'll be better for it in the future. Patience.

I don't know if I can wait that long guys.
 
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Yup. We've got to get someone who can be a rushing threat and confident passer in there. Worley just doesn't fit the offensive scheme but sadly that's the least of his problems. *cough cough* would the real josh Dobbs please stand up

The only offensive sceme he would fit would be one where the offense's intention was to punt the ball as much as possible.
 
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If this year is really a "throw away" and assuming "Butch gets it" then reasonably how long before we are a 10 win relevant team? Depth is a primary concern, this year and next. Some have said losing the lines will be too difficult to overcome next year as well.

Does that mean 3, 4, 5 or more years to 10 wins?

Looking at your Scout current verbal commits, there's a lot to like about the number of HS and JC four stars lined up to help out, though the list lacks O linemen.

UT shares something with Oregon, a shallow in state talent pool. This means you need tireless recruiting efforts. If CBJ is that guy, you'll be a force soon.

As a CFB junkie, I watched the cut ups here of your offense and defense these past weeks. They were somewhat funny because you could readily see how Oregon would destroy UT in all three phases. Make Worley beat you and make the D overcommit to the perimeter run.

But something else is on that tape too. CBJ is installing a system this year, results be damned. Rather than play to the strengths of a team he didn't build, he's making them play his chosen systems. That's not about this year or next, its about re-establishing a culture of winning. It's about getting these players to be the mentors of classes yet to come. It's about playing whistle to whistle even in the face of long odds.

We faced Dooley in his first year. I saw a team that had no identity, one that the week following had LSU on death's door and let them escape via disorganization. Sloppy.

CBJ's squad was powerfully overmatched, but what I saw was organization and discipline remaining solid. The UT team didnt quit. Didn't get chippy, and fought to the end.

There's a lot to build on in that.
 
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Yup. We've got to get someone who can be a rushing threat and confident passer in there. Worley just doesn't fit the offensive scheme but sadly that's the least of his problems. *cough cough* would the real josh Dobbs please stand up

Exactly. Let's start building our future now. Nothing like game experience. Even if it's a rough first year. We expect that anyway. At least he's not thrown (no pun intended) in there next year when expectations are higher.
 
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The only offensive sceme he would fit would be one were the offense's intention was to punt the ball as much as possible.

Did I insinuate otherwise?

You tell me. Your response to when we can start being a perennial 10 win team was that the fan base needs to adjust their attitude.

Last time I checked, coaches coach, players play and the fan just sit in the stands.
 
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You tell me. Your response to when we can start being a perennial 10 win team was that the fan base needs to adjust their attitude.

Last time I checked, coaches coach, players play and the fan just sit in the stands.

It was pretty clear that was in response to the poster's defeatist attitude. Might be tough to follow, I know.
 
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Not even sure how I managed to quote myself and you at the same time. Late night juju I suppose.
 
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Based on the history of the SEC in the past 20 years or so, Butch doesn't have long. Coaches who are successful here show signs of improvement in their first year and typically start fielding very competitive teams by year 2.

You're paid among the top of your profession. You're asking your boosters and ticket holders to keep paying top rates. This is the SEC. You don't get "throwaway years".

There is no reason to believe that a coach that doesn't show improvement quickly can continue bringing in high level recruits over the years and if you aren't doing that, you aren't building anything. James Franklin took over a 2 win team. Hugh Freeze took over a 2 win team. Neither had the resources (nor as highly paid a staff) as Butch Jones. You don't get "throwaway years."

The way some of you talk, I WONDER WHAT WAS EVEN THE POINT OF FIRING DOOLEY....SQUIRREL!!!


You lost what little credibility you had with that last point...but you tend to get unhinged the longer you pretend to pull for our team
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