How long?

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VolintheNooga said:
Exactly. Let's start building our future now. Nothing like game experience. Even if it's a rough first year. We expect that anyway. At least he's not thrown (no pun intended) in there next year when expectations are higher.
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That's what I be saying brother. Plus they'd have A LOT better receiving targets coming in next year, as well as building the bond with the current underclassmen that will be there for the next few years
 
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Dooley's first year, we had to play a lot of freshman, especially the OL. How has that worked out for "building for the future"? I for one am very disappointed in our OL, (supposedly one of the best in the nation). If they're one of the best, then let's ride them home.
 
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Canard said:
Looking at your Scout current verbal commits, there's a lot to like about the number of HS and JC four stars lined up to help out, though the list lacks O linemen.

UT shares something with Oregon, a shallow in state talent pool. This means you need tireless recruiting efforts. If CBJ is that guy, you'll be a force soon.

As a CFB junkie, I watched the cut ups here of your offense and defense these past weeks. They were somewhat funny because you could readily see how Oregon would destroy UT in all three phases. Make Worley beat you and make the D overcommit to the perimeter run.

But something else is on that tape too. CBJ is installing a system this year, results be damned. Rather than play to the strengths of a team he didn't build, he's making them play his chosen systems. That's not about this year or next, its about re-establishing a culture of winning. It's about getting these players to be the mentors of classes yet to come. It's about playing whistle to whistle even in the face of long odds.

We faced Dooley in his first year. I saw a team that had no identity, one that the week following had LSU on death's door and let them escape via disorganization. Sloppy.

CBJ's squad was powerfully overmatched, but what I saw was organization and discipline remaining solid. The UT team didnt quit. Didn't get chippy, and fought to the end.
There's a lot to build on in that.
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I don't know if you have heard any of Butch's press conferences, but bolded statements are almost verbatim citations of his oratorical principles as they apply to coaching. They can all be succinctly tied together by his slogan, "Brick by brick." 'tis nice to see that an Oregon fan can see the physical manifestation of those foundational principles three games into Butch Jones' first season, even if many Tennessee fans focus only on the short-term deficiencies represented on the scoreboard. Herbstreit said much the same on the ESPN GameDay show: "Tennessee's coming. Their great times are ahead of them with Butch Jones."

As for our recruiting, Butch is selectively targeting a number of top-tier JUCO offensive and defensive linemen. If he secures their signatures, the decline on both sides of the line of scrimmage may not be nearly as precipitous as many Tennessee fans envision. Right now, Butch knows that he has major holes in his roster, but he is an absolute master at motivational strategies, instilling teamwork and personal accountability, and he will squeeze every scintilla of performance out of this limited roster that is humanly possible.
 
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DD4ME said:
If this year is really a "throw away" and assuming "Butch gets it" then reasonably how long before we are a 10 win relevant team? Depth is a primary concern, this year and next. Some have said losing the lines will be too difficult to overcome next year as well.

Does that mean 3, 4, 5 or more years to 10 wins?
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2016 is the first reasonable chance to get to 10 wins... not a certainty, but a chance
 
#35
#35
I see no reason the Vols can't be an eight or nine win team in 2015. If CBJ holds onto the recruits he has for 2014 and a similar class in 2015, he should have the talent level to be very competetive in 2015. From there on, it should get better.
 
#36
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Here's what I can't understand, all these folks are saying next year will be worse because we lose all this talent. How can it be worse when we lose all this talent off a team that will be luck to win 4 games?
 
#37
#37
Who knows really.. I guess if you go by the book you would say a few years from now.. What are we really losing though? This Oline, this dline has been consistently disappointing. Both have been pushed around in SEC play. So i don't see why the next kids can't be better quicker.. Every team loses players every year.. Let Jones get two good classes in here and see where it's at.. If they're top 10 classes and they should be, then we'll start seeing a better product..
 
#38
#38
Sounds like the people who've posted think either "never ever" or 3-4 years minimum. I question if Butch really is the guy if it really takes 4+ years. Most great coaches don't take that long.
 
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How long? When Kitten left I said five years and got blasted (and that was before the Dooley era got under way).

Yes, this SUX, but we're still 3 years away from being top 25 again. It a process. It's always been a process. I believe this coaching staff will get us there but it's going to come down to recruiting to rebuild fast and our program won't recruit well if we continue to cannibalize ourselves. We need to show a little solidarity.
 
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DD4ME said:
Sounds like the people who've posted think either "never ever" or 3-4 years minimum. I question if Butch really is the guy if it really takes 4+ years. Most great coaches don't take that long.
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coaches who took over, for the most part, and produced 10+ win season(s) quickly had more raw material to work with upon their arrival.

there should be signs of improvement quickly though.

but, there is a difference between improvement into a solid football team and a championship level football team.

keep in mind, i am one of the few people who from the beginning said that 2014 would end up better than 2013.
 
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99gator said:
coaches who took over, for the most part, and produced 10+ win season(s) quickly had more raw material to work with upon their arrival.

there should be signs of improvement quickly though.

but, there is a difference between improvement into a solid football team and a championship level football team.

keep in mind, i am one of the few people who from the beginning said that 2014 would end up better than 2013.
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I think it depends on the situation the coach walks into. If you just need better players, a couple of good recruiting classes can fix that pretty quickly and you can win sooner rather than later. However, if you have to go in and change the culture, that takes longer. In Butch's case, I think its the latter. There's a whole roster full of guys who expect to lose and that has to change. Just hope everyone can be patient enough.
 
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DD4ME said:
If this year is really a "throw away" and assuming "Butch gets it" then reasonably how long before we are a 10 win relevant team? Depth is a primary concern, this year and next. Some have said losing the lines will be too difficult to overcome next year as well.

Does that mean 3, 4, 5 or more years to 10 wins?
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My guess is 2015, year 3
 
#45
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Canard said:
Looking at your Scout current verbal commits, there's a lot to like about the number of HS and JC four stars lined up to help out, though the list lacks O linemen.

UT shares something with Oregon, a shallow in state talent pool. This means you need tireless recruiting efforts. If CBJ is that guy, you'll be a force soon.

As a CFB junkie, I watched the cut ups here of your offense and defense these past weeks. They were somewhat funny because you could readily see how Oregon would destroy UT in all three phases. Make Worley beat you and make the D overcommit to the perimeter run.

But something else is on that tape too. CBJ is installing a system this year, results be damned. Rather than play to the strengths of a team he didn't build, he's making them play his chosen systems. That's not about this year or next, its about re-establishing a culture of winning. It's about getting these players to be the mentors of classes yet to come. It's about playing whistle to whistle even in the face of long odds.

We faced Dooley in his first year. I saw a team that had no identity, one that the week following had LSU on death's door and let them escape via disorganization. Sloppy.

CBJ's squad was powerfully overmatched, but what I saw was organization and discipline remaining solid. The UT team didnt quit. Didn't get chippy, and fought to the end.

There's a lot to build on in that.
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Finally, an intelligent post on this subject. A shame we had to wait til an Oregon fan posted it. Except for Volosaurus Rex and the poster who said "patience", haven't seen many thoughtful posts. And oh yes fade route too.
 
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Hard to say. Next season will not be good. Rough schedule, losing OL, it won't be pretty. Good class coming in, if followed by another good two classes it will come together. Better the class, more chance we lose Juniors to the NFL too. What a viscous cycle we are in. GO VOLS, BRICK BY BRICK.

Don't know when we will be back in the top echelon of the SEC, but I do think we will be competitive and pull the upset sooner than later. :popcorn:
 
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DD4ME said:
If this year is really a "throw away" and assuming "Butch gets it" then reasonably how long before we are a 10 win relevant team? Depth is a primary concern, this year and next. Some have said losing the lines will be too difficult to overcome next year as well.

Does that mean 3, 4, 5 or more years to 10 wins?
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2015, we will have 8 wins! How long it takes to get to 10 wins, is anybodies guess.
 
#48
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LotteryPick said:
This fanbase needs to drop this attitude first.
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Yeah you are right, we should settle for 3 and four win seasons, its cool.. we should stop wanting to win and just get used to it. We should keep paying hard earned money to go to games to watch a pitiful team play their heart out. Nobody had attitudes the first couple years, but doggone, how many years in a row are we gonna be non relevant and NON COMPETITIVE? been la lot now. When the last time we won 10 games? idk been a long time. So, for us people who have attitudes, it is because we don't like losing.
 
#49
#49
I still find it hard to believe that this place has done a 180 from a week ago. Was it the way UT lost to Oregon? Was it the final score? Was your "UT" pride hurt that much?

Butch has been saying Brick By Brick. I said after the WKU game that the slogan was meant as much for the fans as the team. I got ridiculed for that but this is the exact point Butch was trying to make.

The "Rise to the Top" and "Brick by Brick" are slogans to remind us "the fans" that UT isn't on top any more and the program needs to be re-built.

99.999999999999% of the posters on here were all behind Butch & Co. less than a week ago. It doesn't need to unravel this quickly.

The same 99.999999999999% would also tell you how UT has the best traditions and fans in the country. Stop whining and get behind the team. The question wasn't whether UT could beat Oregon. The question is, "How does UT respond?"
 
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Orange Blazer said:
I don't know if we will ever see 10 win seasons consistently anymore. Different league now.
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unfortunately true.

as long as other SEC schools have great coaches and successful programs it is going to be very hard for UT to pilfer the great athletes like CPF used to.

if the UT admin is not committed to excellence and willing to make sure that all priorities are aligned as far as success of the football program, the climb to the top won't happen.

if UT fans are willing to accept mediocrity and still pony up the $$ for support regardless, that is what they will live with.

CBJ has big challenges ahead of him.
 
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