How many here support abortion, but oppose the death penalty?

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VOLatile said:
Yes. I'm not arguing about the death penalty, though.

In my position for abortion, I don't believe that life starts until after birth.
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you've obviously never felt your child moving inside his mother's womb.
 
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#28
I am against abortion. You put yourself in the position to get pregnant so you have to deal with the "consequences" if it so happens. The only reason I'd be for it is if it happened because of rape.

I'm all for the dealth penalty for those who deserve it.
 
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Abortion outside the case of rape, incest or danger to the mother’s life: No (I believe life begins at conception.)

Death penalty: No (State sponsored murder and easy way out for the guilty party.)
 
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VOLatile said:
Yes. I'm not arguing about the death penalty, though.

In my position for abortion, I don't believe that life starts until after birth.
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I am pro-choice and completely disagree. Life, at least in the sense we are talking about here, begins at viability.
 
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emainvol said:
I am pro-choice and completely disagree. Life, at least in the sense we are talking about here, begins at viability.
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So, you support infanticide for those babies who are born with defects that would keep them from working, functioning, or developing adequately???
 
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therealUT said:
So, you support infanticide for those babies who are born with defects that would keep them from working, functioning, or developing adequately???
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I think being capable of living also includes being capable of living outside the womb includes those cases in which it may take extreme medical care directly after birth
 
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I'm pro-choice and for the death penalty.

However I would like to see the death penalty used in a more limited fashion, with higher standards for being found guilty. i.e. Texas, etc.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
That's the whole point of the thread. You are the first one to clearly state abortion is not murder, but the death penalty is murder.

As the title and original post asks. Your reasoning for this position?
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I support the death penalty... It's over used in some states, but I think it's a viable punishment for some offenders.

Abortion I am real shaky on. I support the woman's choice to abort, but I don't believe it's a viable option except in cases of rape, incest, and danger to the mother's health.

Story: I left an ex because I found out that she had an abortion of her previous b/f's baby because she wasn't ready. It's a lame excuse.

Are my views clear yet? I may have contradicted what I've said previously, but not intentionally.
 
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Let's frame the debate correctly, please.

I am not aware of, nor have I met, a single person who actually, as you put it, "supports abortion."

The debate is not between those who oppose abortion and those who support it -- no one is advocating for more abortions. The debate is between those who oppose abortion and those who think that a woman's right to choose whether to have a child outweighs the interests of the unborn fetus.

That is a legitimate debate and I am torn, as are I think the vast majority of people out there, particularly men who don't have the same things at stake as women do. So, if you want to debate abortion rights, go ahead, but please don't portray anyone who supports abortion rights as "supporting abortion." Its not the same thing.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am not aware of, nor have I met, a single person who actually, as you put it, "supports abortion."
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How is supporting the right to abortion any different than supporting abortion. Enabling is exactly supporting.

You are out of your mind if you want to pretend that there aren't militant abortion supporters out there. This right to choose language is just a marketing slogan to make it sound more palatable, but it's abortion support.

How about the abortion clinic docs who make a living performing abortions? They supporters?

What about those that perform partial-birth abortions? They supporters?
 
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#42
So everything from dogs and cats to trees have rights but unborn babies don't?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
What about those that perform partial-birth abortions? They supporters?
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Seems like more than just supporters to me.

A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with
forceps. (Remember this is a live baby)
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors
are then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The
child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead
baby is then removed.
 
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kev20 said:
Seems like more than just supporters to me.

A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with
forceps. (Remember this is a live baby)
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors
are then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The
child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead
baby is then removed.
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they're definitely supporters. LG was just trying to use semantics to make the abortion supporters appear to be something different than they are.

The pro-abortion movement spent big time and dollars in trying to frame this debate and make it about "reproductive rights" and "right to choose" because the vast majority do find the idea of aborting a baby so reprehensible. It was a great move on the part of the pro-abortion crowd and the anti-abortion types let them do it.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
How is supporting the right to abortion any different than supporting abortion. Enabling is exactly supporting.

You are out of your mind if you want to pretend that there aren't militant abortion supporters out there. This right to choose language is just a marketing slogan to make it sound more palatable, but it's abortion support.

How about the abortion clinic docs who make a living performing abortions? They supporters?

What about those that perform partial-birth abortions? They supporters?
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BigPapaVol said:
they're definitely supporters. LG was just trying to use semantics to make the abortion supporters appear to be something different than they are.

The pro-abortion movement spent big time and dollars in trying to frame this debate and make it about "reproductive rights" and "right to choose" because the vast majority do find the idea of aborting a baby so reprehensible. It was a great move on the part of the pro-abortion crowd and the anti-abortion types let them do it.
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Name three people who actually want there to be more abortions.
 
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overseasorange2 said:
I was not defending what he said, but his right to say it without being slammed. But I guess you can tell me what I think ....you are pretty good at that....:hi:
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I was unaware of this right to give opinions on here without those opinions being "slammed".

Show me where I told you what to think, do not thinik I have. Do think you have a reading problem though.
 
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