How many here support abortion, but oppose the death penalty?

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allvol123 said:
Yea, how crazy of me to interpret "mother" as being a "mother". Use what you want, I don't care. Your stance looks poor when you use that term though, you are acknowledging there is a life and thus there is a killing. But you go with whatever makes you feel best.
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BigPapaVol said:
he didn't interpret anything. He pointed out that your choice of word was interesting. The interpretation was all yours.

Funny how that transpired.
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BigPapaVol said:
soon as someone is called mother.
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moth·er 1 (mr)
n.
1. A woman who conceives, gives birth to, or raises and nurtures a child.

A mother is anyone who "conceives" so yes, it is subject to interpretation. And no, I do not believe that life begins at conception. I think this is one of the root disagreements to this issue.

So in the end, my use of mother does not dictate anything interesting about my overall stance except that you interpret the definition different than I do -- and yet, by definition, we can both argue we are correct. Funny how that works.
 
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VolByBirth... were you a Vol at conception or did it happen when you were born?
 
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JZVOL said:
VolByBirth... were you a Vol at conception or did it happen when you were born?
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Whenever my dad first was able to talk to me about football. Being born into my family pretty much meant you were a Vol fan...

So in answer to your question: at birth, as the name suggests.
 
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VolByBirth said:
Whenever my dad first was able to talk to me about football. Being born into my family pretty much meant you were a Vol fan...

So in answer to your question: at birth, as the name suggests.
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Interesting... nature vs. nuture
 
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JZVOL said:
Interesting... nature vs. nuture
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I'm not sure I'm following your line of thought considering this can be taken about 10 different ways. If you want an honest response, you'll have to give me some more detail as to what you are getting at.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I'm not sure I'm following your line of thought considering this can be taken about 10 different ways. If you want an honest response, you'll have to give me some more detail as to what you are getting at.
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Not really, I'm trying to avoid working right now and just being stupid.
 
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VolByBirth said:
moth·er 1 (mr)
n.
1. A woman who conceives, gives birth to, or raises and nurtures a child.

A mother is anyone who "conceives" so yes, it is subject to interpretation. And no, I do not believe that life begins at conception. I think this is one of the root disagreements to this issue.

So in the end, my use of mother does not dictate anything interesting about my overall stance except that you interpret the definition different than I do -- and yet, by definition, we can both argue we are correct. Funny how that works.
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Do you not understand you continue to be incorrect?

What did she conceive? A life. What woman is a mother to a non-life? Read your definition more thoroughly it says "conceives.....a child". So using your words and definitions, once again you have proven it is murder. Nice job.
 
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allvol123 said:
Do you not understand you continue to be incorrect?

What did she conceive? A life. What woman is a mother to a non-life? Read your definition more thoroughly it says "conceives.....a child". So using your words and definitions, once again you have proven it is murder. Nice job.
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What part of the word interpretation do you not understand? I read this definition as a woman can be deemed a "mother" at conception -- which I do not believe is the beginning of life. You argue it does not. Not really a big deal.

So, back to the original argument, which was "my interesting choice of words" -- which in turn, was nothing more than me reading the definition of mother different than you do. Not a big deal except you can't seem to handle this fact and because of this I'm somehow disproving my entire thought process of abortion. It's stretching and semantics and only works because you refuse to accept that I can interpret "mother" being defined as conception.

WE can continue to argue who is right or wrong about the definition -- but it doesn't really matter since the point is really based on intent. I've voiced my intent and you can't seem to accept that. We agree to disagree.
 
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VolByBirth said:
What part of the word interpretation do you not understand? I read this definition as a woman can be deemed a "mother" at conception -- which I do not believe is the beginning of life. You argue it does not. Not really a big deal.

So, back to the original argument, which was "my interesting choice of words" -- which in turn, was nothing more than me reading the definition of mother different than you do. Not a big deal except you can't seem to handle this fact and because of this I'm somehow disproving my entire thought process of abortion. It's stretching and semantics and only works because you refuse to accept that I can interpret "mother" being defined as conception.

WE can continue to argue who is right or wrong about the definition -- but it doesn't really matter since the point is really based on intent. I've voiced my intent and you can't seem to accept that. We agree to disagree.
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I am not having a problem interpretating anything. You used the word "mother" and then want to hide behind some wacky idea of what that word means. To try to help your case you post the definition of the word and then highlight one word in that definiton. What is it that she "conceives"? If you will read through the definition YOU posted you will find the word "child" is what she conceived. So you are ok with killing what the mother has conceived, your right to think whatever you want.
 
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Since Iam a women who has two wonderful little boys I want to say Abortion is wrong no matter how you look at it , Those boys of mine moved in my stomach for nine months ! I saw their little faces and their beating hearts and even at four weeks old those little boys where alive and even has some brain activity! Ultrasounds are evidence that abortion is wrong and adoption is the best plan if you have been raped or molested and I know what you are going to say about the molesting and the rape but it is not that babies fault and should not be punished . I also think that the man has as much right as the mother does ! This thing about a WOMEN's right to choose is bull!!! Well this is one womens perspective on it and I know it was not the original question but I felt I had to say something oh and I also support the death penalty 100%
 
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tennesseegirl said:
Since Iam a women who has two wonderful little boys I want to say Abortion is wrong no matter how you look at it , Those boys of mine moved in my stomach for nine months ! I saw their little faces and their beating hearts and even at four weeks old those little boys where alive and even has some brain activity! Ultrasounds are evidence that abortion is wrong and adoption is the best plan if you have been raped or molested and I know what you are going to say about the molesting and the rape but it is not that babies fault and should not be punished . I also think that the man has as much right as the mother does ! This thing about a WOMEN's right to choose is bull!!! Well this is one womens perspective on it and I know it was not the original question but I felt I had to say something oh and I also support the death penalty 100%
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Did you eat them?

(couldn't resist)
 
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I think the decision should be up to the pregnant individual. She is the one that will have to live with her ultimate choice. Although I would never want my wife to have an abortion, I can understand some people's choices. Most of us live a "Middle Class Life". Yes, we can say just put the baby up for adoption, but that is not an option in some places. There are millions of unwanted children in China, India, Africa..etc. Have you ever seen a starving child or visited an orphanage in a third world country? I do believe that some of children that I have seen would have been better off had they never been born... rather that living a lifetime in misery. Consequently, I am not going to judge a woman living on less than a dollar a day in a third world country. I'll leave that to a higher authority.
 
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How many on here that support abortion are religious?
How many that are anti-abortion religious?

Not trying to start a religious discussion. But just trying to get a gauge of religious convictions on the topic.
 
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I am mostly against abortion, but I think you can't define it one way or the other as murder. Say for instance and young poor girl working 2 jobs is having a mistake baby. You could say it is her fault, and she should live with her mistakes, but the baby WILL SUFFER. and it is probably best for both the child and mother to have an abortion, so the child will not starve, go into a life or crime, or go on to kill others. I think that certain situations should be taken into consideration also, like rape or Mothers safety and health.
 
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Let me state though, that I am against a rich white suburb girl, partying un-safely and then wanting an abortion for a child that would probably end up with a successful life. That is when I would call an abortion Murder. and I am 100% against the Death Penalty, let the creeps, and killers suffer for the rest of their lives, don't be murderers, and do a service for the inmates.
 
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Big Train said:
I am mostly against abortion, but I think you can't define it one way or the other as murder. Say for instance and young poor girl working 2 jobs is having a mistake baby. You could say it is her fault, and she should live with her mistakes, but the baby WILL SUFFER. and it is probably best for both the child and mother to have an abortion, so the child will not starve, go into a life or crime, or go on to kill others. I think that certain situations should be taken into consideration also, like rape or Mothers safety and health.
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Big Train said:
Let me state though, that I am against a rich white suburb girl, partying un-safely and then wanting an abortion for a child that would probably end up with a successful life. That is when I would call an abortion Murder. and I am 100% against the Death Penalty,let the creeps, and killers suffer for the rest of their lives, don't be murderers, and do a service for the inmates.
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:lolabove: at your ignorance!
 
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emainvol said:
This may surprise people, because it is a decidedly non-liberal position, but I think hate crime legislation is absolutely stupid.
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Agreed.

But a lot of pro-choicers use that "keep your laws off my body" nonsense. I would bet many pro-choicers are pro hate crime legislation, just wondering where their "keep your laws off my brain" stance is in regard to this idea.
 
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emainvol said:
This may surprise people, because it is a decidedly non-liberal position, but I think hate crime legislation is absolutely stupid.
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Agreed. Killing someone is still killing someone regardless of skin color or sexual orientation.
 
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If she wants to drink and smoke while she is pregnant, do you have the right to speak to her then? :crazy:
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Please explain your reasoning.
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How many feel that life begins at conception BUT

1. An IUD is an acceptable contraceptive device
2. A death has not occured during a late menstrual period
3. A "morning after" pill to prevent pregnancy is not murder

Please explain
 
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