How to Regulate NIL

#76
#76
B81 said:
The major problem with the current system is the NCAA. They are trying to implement rules, and all their rules restrict trade and violate federal law. Once the NCAA goes away the market will self correct, as it already basically has. There was an article posted on Volnation a few weeks back anonymously asking the under armor game participants if NIL had a major impact on the school they chose. Most said that all the NIL deals they were offered were very close, and they chose a school based on fit. NIL played a roll, but since the numbers were so close it wasn’t the primary driver. As an example, I am sure Nico was offered similar deals from his top 3 schools. He chose to play for Huep. Another example was texas a&ms early NIL class. They have not been successful on the field, so some hit the portal. A free market where kids are getting paid above board is lightyears better than the under the table shaddy stuff we used to have.

Treat a kid well and pay him his value and he won’t transfer.
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There has to be a national organization of some kind.

If the SEC decided: our players don't have to go to classes anymore, there's no eligibility limits so you can play until you're 65 for all we care, etc...... who oversees that?

That organization will always be the target.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Transfers can't be limited. It's a federal restraint of trade issue.
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I'm aware, I was just offering my solution. I think free agency is the greatest threat to college football; there's a reason there are safeguards in place in the NFL.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
There has to be a national organization of some kind.

If the SEC decided: our players don't have to go to classes anymore, there's no eligibility limits so you can play until you're 65 for all we care, etc...... who oversees that?

That organization will always be the target.
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Good point. There has to be some oversight, and what is considered a “student”.

Would this be better done by the conferences, or should they look to the NCAA for this? The problem with the NCAA is and always has been that they seemingly keep a close eye on some, while turning a blind eye to others. Would the conferences be more unbiased?
 
#81
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B81 said:
Good point. There has to be some oversight, and what is considered a “student”.

Would this be better done by the conferences, or should they look to the NCAA for this? The problem with the NCAA is and always has been that they seemingly keep a close eye on some, while turning a blind eye to others. Would the conferences be more unbiased?
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Conferences are ALWAYS going to look out for themselves. We compete directly with the B1G for media revenue, recruiting prestige, etc so conferences can't "self regulate" because they'll always try to undercut each other.

Any organization of conferences essentially becomes "the next NCAA" establishing rules for everyone AND enforcing them. That organization also becomes the target for lawsuits about their rules when they violate Antitrust Law.

There's not a "remake the NCAA" plan that doesn't face the same lawsuits if they try to regulate transfers or not compensate players at the market value.

The ONLY really workable solution is:
get an Antitrust Exemption from Congress for the NCAA
OR
partner with one or more of the pro leagues that already have Antitrust Exemptions.

Both of those create pro leagues from college ball and that's sad and distasteful and likely destroys sports at smaller schools.

If the NCAA would kindly die quietly for about 5-10 years, I probably will either die too or get too old to care much and that fixes it for me. Younger folks are going to have to adapt.
 
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#84
It is strange that NIL doesn’t really effect pro sports. You would think some big money fan would try to buy some free agents outside of the salary from the team. Example: if mahomes was a free agent, all teams would be offering him a similar salary, but a fan could promise him a billion dollar deal to play for his favorite team.

That doesn’t really ever happen to my knowledge.
 
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It is strange that NIL doesn’t really effect pro sports. You would think some big money fan would try to buy some free agents outside of the salary from the team. Example: if mahomes was a free agent, all teams would be offering him a similar salary, but a fan could promise him a billion dollar deal to play for his favorite team.

That doesn’t really ever happen to my knowledge.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I think there's an argument for the NBA and NFL unions to step in with a "college membership" to manage the overall technical workings. You have unions in place and stable in pro leagues, so they could maintain the stability.

Obviously, this all inches toward NFL-lite, pro status, and LOTS of changes in how I personally look at college ball.

As for reining in transfers, 9 or 10 states and Dept of Justice are suing the NCAA over the "sit out after a transfer" rule. Without collective bargaining and essentially pro status, transfers aren't going to be limited.
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Interesting proposal. But, boy, as you point out, CFB would truly become like the minor leagues in baseball.
 
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B81 said:
It is strange that NIL doesn’t really effect pro sports. You would think some big money fan would try to buy some free agents outside of the salary from the team. Example: if mahomes was a free agent, all teams would be offering him a similar salary, but a fan could promise him a billion dollar deal to play for his favorite team.

That doesn’t really ever happen to my knowledge.
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If the money is offered in return for playing for a specific team, it falls under the NFL salary cap rules, regardless of the source of the $$. If the money is offered - fur example -Mahomes endorsing State Farm, it doesn't matter what team he plays for,bye fers the endorsement money.
 
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Revengevol said:
Tell me the difference please
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Do you have a job? The company you work for pays you to perform that job. They pay you a salary (or hourly whatever).

Separate from your job:

Does a company want to pay you to endorse their product? Does a small business locally want your face in their commercials or a big brand like Nike? You're being paid for your NIL.

Do you have an entertaining personality and people will pay for your youtube channel or video game streaming? You're being paid for your NIL.

Are/were you a successful athlete and a video game maker wants to use you in their video game? You're being paid for your NIL.
 
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B81 said:
It is strange that NIL doesn’t really effect pro sports. You would think some big money fan would try to buy some free agents outside of the salary from the team. Example: if mahomes was a free agent, all teams would be offering him a similar salary, but a fan could promise him a billion dollar deal to play for his favorite team.

That doesn’t really ever happen to my knowledge.
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I heard Ron Howard interviewed many years ago. There were a couple of LA Dodgers who were holding out for more money. This would have been pre-Curt Flood. The disputes were something like $5k on a $100k contract. He said he thought about paying the difference but eventually decided against it.
 
#93
#93
Get some regulators

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#94
#94
Even if you could put a salary cap on the collective, it would be impossible to enforce, or very difficult at any rate.

In spite of the court ruling, I think there likely is a way to change transfer rules. I get that there is an aspect of limiting the athletes rights, but IMO it should be balanced by the academic implications of transferring 3-4 times.

I know the counter argument that academics are already a joke with all the money floating around. The retort to that, is are the Universities academic institutions or minor league sports teams? Are they allowed to regulate their own academics or not? Does Congress or the courts force Universities to act against their academic mission?

If the Universities wanted to, they could make a stand on that issue. I suspect they do not want to. The academics of a relatively handful of athletes, some or many of which are getting paid well, vs. the millions the Universities make, is no contest I suspect.
 
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B81 said:
It is strange that NIL doesn’t really effect pro sports. You would think some big money fan would try to buy some free agents outside of the salary from the team. Example: if mahomes was a free agent, all teams would be offering him a similar salary, but a fan could promise him a billion dollar deal to play for his favorite team.

That doesn’t really ever happen to my knowledge.
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Why do you think Lebron is in LA?
 
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BanditVol said:
Even if you could put a salary cap on the collective, it would be impossible to enforce, or very difficult at any rate.

In spite of the court ruling, I think there likely is a way to change transfer rules. I get that there is an aspect of limiting the athletes rights, but IMO it should be balanced by the academic implications of transferring 3-4 times.

I know the counter argument that academics are already a joke with all the money floating around. The retort to that, is are the Universities academic institutions or minor league sports teams? Are they allowed to regulate their own academics or not? Does Congress or the courts force Universities to act against their academic mission?

If the Universities wanted to, they could make a stand on that issue. I suspect they do not want to. The academics of a relatively handful of athletes, some or many of which are getting paid well, vs. the millions the Universities make, is no contest I suspect.
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False Dilemma. Colleges and universities that have varsity sports programs are both academic institutions and minor league sports teams, especially football and basketball.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Do you have a job? The company you work for pays you to perform that job. They pay you a salary (or hourly whatever).

Separate from your job:

Does a company want to pay you to endorse their product? Does a small business locally want your face in their commercials or a big brand like Nike? You're being paid for your NIL.

Do you have an entertaining personality and people will pay for your youtube channel or video game streaming? You're being paid for your NIL.

Are/were you a successful athlete and a video game maker wants to use you in their video game? You're being paid for your NIL.
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So if They are being PAID by some 3rd party they should have to pay taxes just like everybody else that gets paid. Right….right.
 
#100
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Revengevol said:
So if They are being PAID by some 3rd party they should have to pay taxes just like everybody else that gets paid. Right….right.
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Of course they pay taxes on income and I'm sure they're not "OMG!!! You mean people pay taxes in America?!?!?!!" about it like you seem to imply.

You act like college age kids are 4 year olds. Most are Americans and grew up understanding that if you make money, you pay taxes.

What's your problem?
 
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