How utterly surprising (not): John Adams predicts another 5-7 season.

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Volosaurus rex said:
'tis hardly surprising, given his track record. However, if you ever wanted proof that John Adams has a deep abiding disdain for Tennessee football, here it is: he predicts a fourth consecutive 5-7 season. See John Adams: Butch Jones hasn't had enough time to change UT's losing ways » GoVolsXtra. Here's hoping that he has enough crow to choke on for a week's worth of dining at the end of the season.
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Never really put a lot of stock in anything Joan Adams had to say.
 
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sjt18 said:
If Jones is even in the neighborhood of being a coach that can win championships at UT... then it is. But technically, no record is out of realm of possibility. It is not a six win team then it is an extremely poorly coached team (by this staff). If it is a "well" as in at least mediocre coached team then it is a seven or 8 win team.

Adams looks for shock effect. A competent editor would have sent that LSU homer packing years ago.

If a team that may well put all five starting OL's in the draft next spring, returning 2 RB's that combined for over 1300 yds, a front seven likely to have 2-4 players get the opportunity to play in the NFL next year, and a solid group of 3 veteran safeties... is a 5-7 team this year then only an abject idiot would hope for better next year when the entire front 7 and most of the 2 deep there will be gone. They'll be replaced by lesser talents, true Fr, and JUCO's. The entire OL will be gone. UT will STILL be thin at CB and lose a quality S and the starting nickel. The WR group will be just a little more experienced than this year.

The truth is if this is a 5 win roster then next year is a 3 or 4 win roster... AT BEST.
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18 speaks truth if we win only 5 or 6 games this year we r toast next year..
 
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We have this argument every year. There were morons on here picking 8-9 (and in a few instances even more) win seasons when Dooley was here. And of course, they always said anything was possible and we don't know till the games are played. And every time they were wrong. Realistically, the absolute ceiling for this team is 7-8 wins. The realistic celing is 6-7 wins. They will most likely end up with 5 or 6 regular season wins.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
No QB, no corners, platoon RBs, no DEs, two new OLBs all running a new system. GTHO.
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We went 7-5 under Kiffin, including wins against Georgia and South Carolina and came within a blocked field goal of upsetting the eventual national champions in their house! All with a complete 'tard at QB, 2 undersized walk ons on the offensive line, an undersized defensive line, and an undersized former walk on at middle linebacker! All while playing in a new system! YOU "GTHO!"
 
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Amsterdam said:
5-7 is very, very possible. For the love of Zeus, please temper expectations. No one wants to see 5-7, but let's acknowledge that it isn't outside the realm of possibility. Show a little patience and let Butch do his thing and build us back up to where we all want to be.
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Yeah ,no ne should be allowed to be the least bit excited bout the possibility of upsetting a top ten team,God knows Dooley was a play from the LSU thing in 2010with similar talent
 
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Idiotic thread: should Adams predict 8 wins, or how about 9, to please diehard fans? It's not his job to feed the delusions of fans--and apparently you missed the fact that UT has suxed for several years, and almost surely will struggle again this year.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
We have this argument every year. There were morons on here picking 8-9 (and in a few instances even more) win seasons when Dooley was here. And of course, they always said anything was possible and we don't know till the games are played. And every time they were wrong. Realistically, the absolute ceiling for this team is 7-8 wins. The realistic celing is 6-7 wins. They will most likely end up with 5 or 6 regular season wins.
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So it's the same argument with different coaches with different backgrounds and histories? Explain further.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
We went 7-5 under Kiffin, including wins against Georgia and South Carolina and came within a blocked field goal of upsetting the eventual national champions in their house! All with a complete 'tard at QB, 2 undersized walk ons on the offensive line, an undersized defensive line, and an undersized former walk on at middle linebacker! All while playing in a new system! YOU "GTHO!"
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He would, but he's not smart enough to find his way out.
 
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armchair said:
Idiotic thread: should Adams predict 8 wins, or how about 9, to please diehard fans? It's not his job to feed the delusions of fans--and apparently you missed the fact that UT has suxed for several years, and almost surely will struggle again this year.
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Idiotic post. By that logic no team will ever pull out of a low period since your theory suggests previous season play into current and future seasons.
 
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sanddune50 said:
So it's the same argument with different coaches with different backgrounds and histories? Explain further.
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Unrealistic expectations. Butch Jones probably will be a successful here in Knoxville in the long run. But this year is going to be rough. It doesn't take a football genius to figure that out. They are a 5-7 team that lost a lot of offensive talent.

There is no doubt that Butch Jones is a better coach than Derek Dooley. He needs to spend this year cleaning up Dooley's disaster.
 
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This team is gonna be bad, if we go better than 6-6 CBJ should win SEC and National coach of the year. Seriously

Of the teams on our schedule, we have better talent than 5 teams
WKU
APU
South Alabama
Kentucky
Missouri

Vandy would be a tossup due to depth, and the rest all have better talent. We should win those 5, and I'm hoping for 1 more win to make us bowl eligible, but our schedule is brutal, and we have almost 0 depth. If we have any injuries, this season could be our worst in our history.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
We went 7-5 under Kiffin, including wins against Georgia and South Carolina and came within a blocked field goal of upsetting the eventual national champions in their house! All with a complete 'tard at QB, 2 undersized walk ons on the offensive line, an undersized defensive line, and an undersized former walk on at middle linebacker! All while playing in a new system! YOU "GTHO!"
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Think better. The argument being made is that 5 wins means the guy can't coach. That's stupid. His system is a departure from what we have recruited for. Kiffin's wasn't and he wasn't trying to win with unproven coordinators. He was undermanned, but had enough talent to manage clock. We're not going to manage clock.

I know you're dying to sound intelligent and support the team, but it's pitiful. My argument was actually in support of the guy. He might win, but it will be from guys out of nowhere. If he doesn't, it isn't because he can't coach.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
We have this argument every year. There were morons on here picking 8-9 (and in a few instances even more) win seasons when Dooley was here. And of course, they always said anything was possible and we don't know till the games are played. And every time they were wrong. Realistically, the absolute ceiling for this team is 7-8 wins. The realistic celing is 6-7 wins. They will most likely end up with 5 or 6 regular season wins.
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The '12 Vols were a 9 or 10 win roster. Between Sal and Dooley, they did not achieve that. There was really no way to anticipate Sal being as bad as he was. The Vols had gotten JUCO help on the DL. They returned 18 of the 22 in their D two deep. They returned 16 of their top 20 tacklers. In '11, they had allowed 22.6 ppg and finished mid-pack in spite of their youth.

It simply was not probable that Sal could be so bad as to allow 13 more ppg.... to make a horrible Akron O look credible.... to make Troy look like Spurrier's UF.

Want to know how incredibly bad the coaching was? UT was not even close to the least talented D played by Troy... but that game was Troy's highest point total of the year. Akron won one game. Almost every MAC school they played allowed them less points than Sal did... they avg'd only 21 ppg against the MAC. Every team on UT's schedule except for NCSU, GaST, and UK scored above their season avg against Sunseri.



All that in the context of the previous year... make Sunseri the worst hire I have ever seen and the best reason of all for firing Dooley.
 
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#89
Treat Adams like a troll. Ignore him and don't click on his self promoting drivel. The only way KNS will ever do the decent thing and replace him.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
Unrealistic expectations. Butch Jones probably will be a successful here in Knoxville in the long run. But this year is going to be rough. It doesn't take a football genius to figure that out. They are a 5-7 team that lost a lot of offensive talent.

There is no doubt that Butch Jones is a better coach than Derek Dooley. He needs to spend this year cleaning up Dooley's disaster.
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Offensively, last season they were a 10-2 / 9-3 team.

Defensively, they were a 3-9 type of team.

I see the O being a little worse than last year and the D being a bit better. With a few breaks this is a 7-5 team. 8-4 if the play above themselves.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
This team is gonna be bad, if we go better than 6-6 CBJ should win SEC and National coach of the year. Seriously

Of the teams on our schedule, we have better talent than 5 teams
WKU
APU
South Alabama
Kentucky
Missouri

Vandy would be a tossup due to depth, and the rest all have better talent. We should win those 5, and I'm hoping for 1 more win to make us bowl eligible, but our schedule is brutal, and we have almost 0 depth. If we have any injuries, this season could be our worst in our history.
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Vandy is not a toss up nor is it close. If you believe that then you have not looked at Vandy's roster. This roster has more talent and depth than Fulmer's last roster, Kiffin's only roster, and Dooley's first two rosters.

Zero depth? Solidly two deep in experienced, developed, talented players on both lines. Three very solid safeties. Talent but youth at WR. Two quality RB's returning. Four QB's that look to be SEC quality.

This is a MUCH better roster than Dooley had his first year. They play a similarly difficult schedule. Dooley won six and should have won 7 or 8. If Jones is better than Dooley (and I full well expect he is) then your non-sense will be proven to be just that.
 
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sjt18 said:
Sorry... but that is pathetic. You are saying that if Jones is better than Dooley you won't post here anymore?
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Nope. I think Butch is going to be good for our program. However, we do not have the depth or talent this year to go over 6-6.
 
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Catbone said:
Nope. I think Butch is going to be good for our program. However, we do not have the depth or talent this year to go over 6-6.
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There is more depth and talent than Fulmer had his last year and probably last two years. There is more depth and talent than Kiffin had. There is more depth and talent than Dooley had his first two years... including the first year when he won six and should have won 8.

There is more depth and talent than Franklin has had at any point at Vandy.

If Jones wins 6 or fewer games then he is VERY unlikely to end up being good for the program except for perhaps a marginal improvement in the talent left in '15 after he's fired.
 
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We play Missouri at Missouri, the week after playing at Alabama. It's easily a losable game.

The over/under on our wins from Vegas is 5.5, every analyst that's looked at our team and our schedule has said if we make a bowl game it will be a successful year. Because we are not a good team. We are favored in 5 games, 1 pickem, and expected to lose 6 games. But, I'm sure you know more about our team than everyone else that has watched it, analyzed it, and researched it.

I want us to be 14-0 national champions, but I expect us to be 6-6 at best this year

But you're setting your expectations way too high man, if we go 7-5, he deserves coach of the year, plain and simple. Anyone expecting more than that is setting themselves up for a huge let down. And you're the same people that will be on here bashing CBJ for not "getting it" then...
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Think better. The argument being made is that 5 wins means the guy can't coach. That's stupid. His system is a departure from what we have recruited for. Kiffin's wasn't and he wasn't trying to win with unproven coordinators. He was undermanned, but had enough talent to manage clock. We're not going to manage clock.

I know you're dying to sound intelligent and support the team, but it's pitiful. My argument was actually in support of the guy. He might win, but it will be from guys out of nowhere. If he doesn't, it isn't because he can't coach.
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Guys out of nowhere? You mean like an elite offensive line with a LT that will go in the top 15 of the NFL draft? a junior and senior RBs to run behind the line? 2 senior DTs in McCullers and Couch (McCullers will probably be a 1st round pick as well), AJ, Maggitt, and Randolph(hardly chump change, and a 4 star blue chipper in LaDarrell McNeil. Hardly some unsung cast that you guys keep trying to portray we are going into the season with.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
We play Missouri at Missouri, the week after playing at Alabama. It's easily a losable game.

The over/under on our wins from Vegas is 5.5, every analyst that's looked at our team and our schedule has said if we make a bowl game it will be a successful year. Because we are not a good team. We are favored in 5 games, 1 pickem, and expected to lose 6 games. But, I'm sure you know more about our team than everyone else that has watched it, analyzed it, and researched it.

I want us to be 14-0 national champions, but I expect us to be 6-6 at best this year

But you're setting your expectations way too high man, if we go 7-5, he deserves coach of the year, plain and simple. Anyone expecting more than that is setting themselves up for a huge let down. And you're the same people that will be on here bashing CBJ for not "getting it" then...
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Then fine. We are setting ourselves up for a huge letdown, which to me is better than having the debbie downer mentality of 'keeping it real' and not really having anything to be excited about.
 
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The key to this season is finding a winning QB and limiting
stupid mistakes and major injuries....7-5 IMHO. Good example Dickey in 1985 (I know he had NFL talent all around him) but he came in and limited his mistakes and made short concise throws at first and did not lose the games because of himself. Tyler Bray was more talented but looked great at the beginning due to 3 great receivers in 2010 pulling in some wild throws.The way Kiffen changed Crompton was an example of a good coach putting his qb in a winning position.

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