How was that not a TD?

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SteelerVol said:
The fact that so many people are disputing it kinda means it's disputable doesn't it?
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You mean because a bunch of Vol fans on a messageboard are disputing it, that makes it a legit complaint?

Then I guess we have to take conspiracy theories about the SEC wanting Georgia to win seriously too.
 
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#153
Officials got this one right no camera angle can change that.Probably win the game if he doesn't fumble. D was playing good
 
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The only people arguing that it was a bad call are fans on here, every analyst, every moderator, every replay show, everyone except some of our homer fans are saying it was the correct call.

It was a fumble, it sucks that it happened because he was giving his all and trying so hard, but it was clearly a fumble, the ball does not rotate the way it rotated if it is controlled by the hand...
 
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Looks like a TD to me. Possession with hand as he crosses the plane.
 

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He was 100% fumbling that, just because his hand is still touching the ball, does not mean he has control. Try holding a football like that, and then try to move the ball...go ahead, I'll wait
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
He was 100% fumbling that, just because his hand is still touching the ball, does not mean he has control. Try holding a football like that, and then try to move the ball...go ahead, I'll wait
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Its actually quite easy. Some people can not palm a basketball but most can palm a football, and the point is easier than the larger mid part.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
You seriously think in that picture he's palming the football by the tip?
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What I think is that its not indisputable that he is not palming it and does not have possession. True that formulation is legalistic. Take some of your own advice. Let it go.

Edit: Rules though are by their nature subject to interpretation.
 
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NMVol said:
What I think is that its not indisputable that he is not palming it. Take some of your own advice. Let it go.
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I have nothing to let go; I agree with the call. I'm not the one bending over backwards to "prove" you can't prove he was fumbling.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I have nothing to let go; I agree with the call. I'm not the one bending over backwards to "prove" you can't prove he was fumbling.
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Yeah you do: you can let go trying to convince people who reasonably question the call.
 
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This thread goes to prove that football fans will argue anything, no matter how weak the argument. A ref could declare that the sky is green, and if the call helped their team, fans would argue that there is no indisputable evidence that it's not.
 
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NMVol said:
Yeah you do: you can let go trying to convince people who reasonably question the call.
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It's a messageboard; if you're going to post things that I disagree with, then I'm going to respond. That's how it works.

Unless you just want the freedom to post your theories and have only people who agree reply.
 
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bamawriter said:
This thread goes to prove that football fans will argue anything, no matter how weak the argument. A ref could declare that the sky is green, and if the call helped their team, fans would argue that there is no indisputable evidence that it's not.
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Exactly.

And I really laugh at the notion that some Vol fans claim had it been reversed, they'd say UGA should have been given a TD. That's just complete horse crap.
 
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"Bending over backwards", "football fans will argue anything", I say its a weak argument that resorts to ad hominem attacks.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And I say the arguments that it should have stood are weak.
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Well of course, that's the old bromide. The lesson is not to put the outcome of the game into the officials hands.

Point remains that those who attack the question avoid responding to the close study and prefer to conclusively declare the matter and their opinion beyond question. This is unreasonable.
 
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As far as I'm concerned, your in control of the ball until it completely leaves you hand, which was past the plane of the goal line.

Screwed again!
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
As far as I'm concerned, your in control of the ball until it completely leaves you hand, which was past the plane of the goal line.

Screwed again!
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Well, as far as you're concerned doesn't mesh with the rulebook. Contact with the ball does not equate to possession of the ball.
 
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NMVol said:
Well of course, that's the old bromide. The lesson is not to put the outcome of the game into the officials hands.

Point remains that those who attack the question avoid responding to the close study and prefer to conclusively declare the matter and their opinion beyond question. This is unreasonable.
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This is where we part; to some of us the evidence is so clear that the attempts to give it "close study" have come down to desperate attempts to see what isn't there. Not to mention this is after there has been responses to the study; but obviously neither side has been convinced by either side's responses.

For us who clearly see a fumble, it's crazy that anyone can't see it's a clear fumble. At that point no amount of discussion, screenshots, videos, etc. is going to matter.

Have you never gotten to the point in a "debate" where to you the evidence was clear for your side and you simply felt the other side's argument was silly?
 
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