Hundreds of examples of fraud by Trump and his family, corporations

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lawgator1 said:
It is still illegal to intentionally misstate it. That is the allegation here -- that it was an organized scheme of doing this, across many transactions, and that Trump HIMSELF, as well as others, actively did this.
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So why didn't they criminally charge him? Why only file a civil lawsuit?
 
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Septic said:
My problem is with idiots like you not having the intellectual capacity not recognize that I'm not passing judgement, I'm explaining on what is being alleged and why.

Back to the drawing board, nerd.
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Since you like name calling, you and others are complete morons in believing this will amount to anything. This touches on what I have done for a living for 25 years. This is strictly a partisan AG trying to find any way possible to "get Trump". It is a total waste of time and money.

The irony of this is that the more they keep is name in the paper and on tv, the more they prove his point about how corrupt the system is.
 
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VolStrom said:
So why didn't they criminally charge him? Why only file a civil lawsuit?
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Don't know, but based on the context it appears to me that the state is, for the time being, leaving that to the US Atty's Office. Doesn't mean they can't also do that later. But it occurs to me that one reason for this approach may be that since its civil they can do much more extensive discovery and get to the bottom of who actually promoted this.

To borrow a phrase from Trump, I think he, and he alone, can do this. For example, hard to see him not knowing he was claiming that his apartment was worth $300 million. Can't imagine anyone slipped a piece of paper in front of him with that on it and said "sign here" and he did so without a glance, and just went on eating his cheeseburger.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is still illegal to intentionally misstate it. That is the allegation here -- that it was an organized scheme of doing this, across many transactions, and that Trump HIMSELF, as well as others, actively did this.
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They can show a pattern of behavior which alludes to intent. They can bring witnesses to testify to intent. But I think they will have an almost impossible task to prove intent.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is still illegal to intentionally misstate it. That is the allegation here -- that it was an organized scheme of doing this, across many transactions, and that Trump HIMSELF, as well as others, actively did this.
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True but that is where the petition seems lacking to me, no real specifics on intent from individuals. There is one part that mentions two defendants telling employees to create fraudulent statements, but I am not seeing much juice here as a whole.
 
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McDad said:
If that was in the LG link, I missed it.

They're gonna drown the guy in paper to keep him from running, I guess. No matter, I'm sure some other feckless liar will step up to the plate.
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That's the plan, keep him from running and punish him for winning in the first place. They want to make the consequences perfectly clear to anyone outside of the political establishment thinking about a run for POTUS.
 
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McDad said:
If that was in the LG link, I missed it.

They're gonna drown the guy in paper to keep him from running, I guess. No matter, I'm sure some other feckless liar will step up to the plate.
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The case will be divided up over many fronts. AG James will handle the civil fraud case. the case has been turned over to the IRS as well (tax evasion), and and then there is the federal case.... that gets turned over to Bragg, who has already set frumpy free once saying "not enough evidence". He may have been waiting on James to bring the case tho.
 
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Trump makes it difficult to create satire about him. It takes quite an imagination to come up with something so exaggerated about his persona that it couldn’t be true.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
The case will be divided up over many fronts. AG James will handle the civil fraud case. the case has been turned over to the IRS as well (tax evasion), and and then there is the federal case.... that gets turned over to Bragg, who has already set frumpy free once saying "not enough evidence". He may have been waiting on James to bring the case tho.
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Can you correlate inflated / deflated property values with anything illegal in the IRS tax code?
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is still illegal to intentionally misstate it. That is the allegation here -- that it was an organized scheme of doing this, across many transactions, and that Trump HIMSELF, as well as others, actively did this.
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No what you’re doing is what you do every time. Conflate the situation. The complaint on its own just looks weak out of the gate. And you selling it really isn’t gaining traction either.

And I’m getting a good laugh reading the pundits trying to understand how a judge could even deliver many of James asks on punishment even if she somehow delivers.
 
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McDad said:
If that was in the LG link, I missed it.

They're gonna drown the guy in paper to keep him from running, I guess. No matter, I'm sure some other feckless liar will step up to the plate.
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Trump, company and family members sued by New York AG over alleged fraud scheme

She is also filing a criminal referral to federal prosecutors in Manhattan and a separate tax fraud referral to the IRS for the same underlying allegations.
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Looks like she is following Gavin Newsome's lead in referring charges to the feds.
I wonder if kidnapping is involved too?
 
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825VOL said:
Since you like name calling, you and others are complete morons in believing this will amount to anything. This touches on what I have done for a living for 25 years. This is strictly a partisan AG trying to find any way possible to "get Trump". It is a total waste of time and money.

The irony of this is that the more they keep is name in the paper and on tv, the more they prove his point about how corrupt the system is.
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You kicked off the ad homs champ, I was just responding in kind.

I get you though, blame everyone else - trump is squeaky clean. Fortunately, he'll get his day in court to refute these heinous allegations.
 
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Being a civil case this will drag out for years and then either be dismissed or settled for a small fraction of what the initial suit was filed for. They just want to hurt him and not only keep him out of the 2024 race as a candidate but campaigning for another candidate also.
 
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McDad said:
They can show a pattern of behavior which alludes to intent. They can bring witnesses to testify to intent. But I think they will have an almost impossible task to prove intent.
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Depends on how often and to what degree it occurred. If there are 20 examples of inflating valuations by a factor of 2 or 3x, the jury will be instructed that it can make the reasonable inference that it was intentional. They don't have to, but they can. Hard to see how Trump's attorneys could credibly argue it was all one big coincidence. But they are welcome to sink with the ship if they'd like to.

Will probably settle in 2025.
 
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Septic said:
You kicked off the ad homs champ, I was just responding in kind.

I get you though, blame everyone else - trump is squeaky clean. Fortunately, he'll get his day in court to refute these heinous allegations.
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I don't give two sh*** about Trump. It is just amusing and tiresome at the same time watching you and others fall for the same stuff over and over again. You got him now, for the 78th time, right?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Depends on how often and to what degree it occurred. If there are 20 examples of inflating valuations by a factor of 2 or 3x, the jury will be instructed that it can make the reasonable inference that it was intentional. They don't have to, but they can. Hard to see how Trump's attorneys could credibly argue it was all one big coincidence. But they are welcome to sink with the ship if they'd like to.

Will probably settle in 2025.
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They would also have to show what he stood to gain from over-evaluating values and how he profited from it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Depends on how often and to what degree it occurred. If there are 20 examples of inflating valuations by a factor of 2 or 3x, the jury will be instructed that it can make the reasonable inference that it was intentional. They don't have to, but they can. Hard to see how Trump's attorneys could credibly argue it was all one big coincidence. But they are welcome to sink with the ship if they'd like to.

Will probably settle in 2025.
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All Trump's attorney has to do is show how or why the property's value was claimed at any given instance. Additionally, most homeowners are familiar with different assessments depending on the entity needing the value.
Who know what will happen once it hits the courts. I will be very interested in the pursuit of other property owners who have done / continue to do the same (which will never happen).
 
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lawgator1 said:
Depends on how often and to what degree it occurred. If there are 20 examples of inflating valuations by a factor of 2 or 3x, the jury will be instructed that it can make the reasonable inference that it was intentional. They don't have to, but they can. Hard to see how Trump's attorneys could credibly argue it was all one big coincidence. But they are welcome to sink with the ship if they'd like to.

Will probably settle in 2025.
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Maybe. For being 200 pages, it seems to lack particularities for sure. I mean they talk about valuations but it really doesn't even talk about what the "financial benefits" are and what the purpose of it would be. I mean we can guess at a few things but the petition is lacking for sure.

Trump's attorneys
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The issue is you have quite a few defendants. I seriously doubt most of them knew the particulars to any of this at that level. If they just sued the Trump Org I think you could be more correct, but this is kind of weak on its own.
 
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lawgator1 said:
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But it's all made up, right Trumpsters? All fiction.
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lawgator1 said:
CNN - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos

But it's all made up, right Trumpsters? All fiction.
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Given your link is to CNN, there is a reasonable expectation it could be made up.

However, I have seen a report that the Trumps are being sued by a DA in New York over claims that the Trumps overvalued property in financial filings, etc.

Doubt it really goes anywhere. The DA strikes me as someone who is venturing off in territory she knows absolutely nothing about.
 
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