Hundreds of examples of fraud by Trump and his family, corporations

[hog88]

They’re different?

Not at all.

 

[VolStrom]

I went before the appeals board in the county I owned some commercial warehouse property in and won when I offered to sell to any of them the property at 75% of their valuation and then added at 60%, I'd have to make a phone call to my partner, but they'd probably have a deal by the end of the day. They lowered it to about 75% of the valuation. Wasn't completely happy, but it was a good win.

Everyone I've ever talked to was told the same thing you described, "would you sell it for that?" Generally they set the entire valuation of the county low enough that everyone would say no, that way the county can set the tax rate high enough to bring in whatever they want.

 

[volinbham]

You point out where I said it was new, and I’ll agree. You don’t, and we’ll agree you’re wrong. Deal?

you said "Famous simply for being famous. Valuable simply for being valuable. God bless America in 2022 lol. "

that implies to me you consider this a 2022 phenomenon. then you added it's so Trumpy which implies this is something one primarily associates with Trump.

perhaps you weren't suggesting it's a new thing but your word choice sure implies it

 

[GroverCleveland]

I have heard of people being convicted of fraud for falsifying information on a loan application but that was at a very small level, we're talking loans in the millions here so I would think the banks would do a stringent due diligence.

As the saying goes if you owe the bank 100 grand you have a problem, if you owe the bank a million they have a problem..

Oh, yeah, I agree to knowingly provide false information. But typically on a loan, the discovery of false information would allow the bank the call the loan and, if not paid, then the fraud has occurred. They cannot come back and claim you owe additional interest over the contracted amount.

I will admit that I am simply speaking from my experience which is limited to certain areas, so you and @Septic may be right.

And you're 100% right on how who has a problem is determined!

 

[OHvol40]

Was just pointing out your obvious lack of historical knowledge about the subject of how notoriety affects market values.

Elvis was famous for being revolutionary in an art form, like him or not. What is Trump’s brand built on? Failed business ventures? Reality TV? Massive loan defaults? Stiffing contractors? Rubbing elbows with organized crime? Maybe its his gift of oratory? What is the redeemable quality that this brand is built upon? Because, historically, brands are built on some kind of redeemable quality… or do you not know your history on the matter?

 

[McDad]

Famous simply for being famous. Valuable simply for being valuable. God bless America in 2022 lol.

Intangible, unquantifiable valuations. That’s so Trumpy.

I can't change human nature. People want to own things famous people possessed. Is that Trumpy or is that those who idolize celebrity?

 

[OHvol40]

you said "Famous simply for being famous. Valuable simply for being valuable. God bless America in 2022 lol. "

that implies to me you consider this a 2022 phenomenon. then you added it's so Trumpy which implies this is something one primarily associates with Trump.

perhaps you weren't suggesting it's a new thing but your word choice sure implies it

It does not. I’m just commenting on the current state of affairs. It’s been a long road to reach this depravity.

 

[McDad]

I think you mean like Jo(h)n Voight's LeBaron.

We've been told no more Seinfeld memes. So, I cant post the relevant captioned image.

 

[volinbham]

Elvis was famous for being revolutionary in an art form, like him or not. What is Trump’s brand build on? Failed business ventures? Reality TV? Massive loan defaults? Stiffing contractors? Rubbing elbows with organized crime? Maybe is his gift of oratory? What is the redeemable quality that this brand is built upon? Because, historically, brands are built on some kind of redeemable quality… or do you not know your history on the matter?

funny you dwell only his failures and ignore his successes.

he's been in the entertainment and hospitality business where personality does lead to brand equity along wit the brand equity built upon years of experiences customers have had.

Steve Wynn has his own share of negative history but his personality/reputation/persona adds value to his businesses.

 

[GroverCleveland]

He can't answer that honestly and still defend his position. I see people overvaluing their properties every single day. The personal opinion of you property value, if even put down when applying for a mortgage, does not constitute mortgage fraud. It is up to the lender to accept that value or to perform an appraisal on the property to determine the "current fair market value". The current fair market value fluctuates constantly based on sales of similar property in similar locations.

Mortgage fraud is not determined by whether or not someone pays back the loan. However, most fraud is not found until the borrower defaults on the loan. You are correct in the fact that if the lender used the stated value given to them by the borrower, then it is on the bank and the underwriter for not properly underwriting the file. If the borrower defaulted in this scenario, the bank's only option is to foreclose on the property. They can't go back and sue someone for giving an opinion of value that they themselves agree with at the time of underwriting and claim it is fraud.

Okay, that makes sense and thanks for clarifying. I do have a another post that false documents allows the bank to call the note. If the note is paid after being called, then I cannot see how one would be prosecuted for fraud because the bank has lost nothing. If false information is provided, discovered and the note called, loan is not paid, then absolutely fraud should be prosecuted.

 

[volfanhill]

We've been told no more Seinfeld memes. So, I cant post the relevant captioned image.

Screw those rules

 

[volinbham]

It does not. I’m just commenting on the current state of affairs. It’s been a long road to reach this depravity.

only you know your true intent with your post

I responded based on how it read to me as did another poster. It seems like a reasonable interpretation of your post but if you say that's not what you meant then I won't argue with that

 

[StarRaider]

We've been told no more Seinfeld memes. So, I cant post the relevant captioned image.

Winter of No George starts 10/1

Screw those rules

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[GroverCleveland]

Elvis was famous for being revolutionary in an art form, like him or not. What is Trump’s brand build on? Failed business ventures? Reality TV? Massive loan defaults? Stiffing contractors? Rubbing elbows with organized crime? Maybe is his gift of oratory? What is the redeemable quality that this brand is built upon? Because, historically, brands are built on some kind of redeemable quality… or do you not know your history on the matter?

To Yoda: the derangement is strong in this one.

It is obvious that I and a number of other people on here understand branding far better than you it seems. Since I have never licensed anything from Trump, I have little knowledge of what its value is or what people who do value it base their determination on. I would suggest you ask them, not me. My point was not about the relative value of Trump's brand. It is obvious some people value it. My comment was about the fact that brands have existed for quite a long time, probably since Joe's Used Camels opened somewhere in Persia and your obvious ignorance about it.

 

[volfanhill]

Elvis was famous for being revolutionary in an art form, like him or not. What is Trump’s brand built on? Failed business ventures? Reality TV? Massive loan defaults? Stiffing contractors? Rubbing elbows with organized crime? Maybe is his gift of oratory? What is the redeemable quality that this brand is built upon? Because, historically, brands are built on some kind of redeemable quality… or do you not know your history on the matter?

He had a tv show on a major network for 9 seasons. I can't stand the guy but come on. He's got something people like.

 

[lawgator1]

If there are "countless cases" then he should have long been charged with fraud and prosecuted. Oh, wait, none of the wild claims by his enemies have never turned out to be anything but stark raving mad hysteria. But maybe this time...

Thousand of them, sir. THOUSANDS ....

https://crushthelsatexam.com/deep-dive-donald-trumps-long-history-of-lawsuits/

 

[0nelilreb]

Elvis was famous for being revolutionary in an art form, like him or not. What is Trump’s brand built on? Failed business ventures? Reality TV? Massive loan defaults? Stiffing contractors? Rubbing elbows with organized crime? Maybe is his gift of oratory? What is the redeemable quality that this brand is built upon? Because, historically, brands are built on some kind of redeemable quality… or do you not know your history on the matter?

Are you serious ? You do understand just how much you liberals loved and the infatuation you had with this man before he started talking seriously about running for President against Hills right ? If you don’t know , a quick simple Google search will show you his “awards and honors “ . Not kidding when I say the left is the worst at trying to rewrite history to match their current agenda .

List of awards and honors received by Donald Trump - Wikipedia

 

[825VOL]

Okay, that makes sense and thanks for clarifying. I do have a another post that false documents allows the bank to call the note. If the note is paid after being called, then I cannot see how one would be prosecuted for fraud because the bank has lost nothing. If false information is provided, discovered and the note called, loan is not paid, then absolutely fraud should be prosecuted.

Depending on the type of loan, you could still be charged with mortgage fraud even if you paid back the loan. If it is a federally backed mortgage loan, then giving fraudulent documents is a federal crime. Falsifying bank statements, income statements(paycheck stubs, W-2's or tax returns) or misrepresenting occupancy intent are the most common types of mortgage fraud. Again, those are usually found out up front or not found until the borrower defaults on their loan.

 

[volinbham]

Thousand of them, sir. THOUSANDS ....

https://crushthelsatexam.com/deep-dive-donald-trumps-long-history-of-lawsuits/

I'm curious of the thousands how many have him(his companies) as plaintive vs defendant

 

[lawgator1]

... a quick simple Google search will show you his “awards and honors “
List of awards and honors received by Donald Trump - Wikipedia

From Google:

1. Iron Cross 1st Class (Received by Adolf Hitler on 4 Aug in 1918)


2. Iron Cross 2nd Class (Received by Adolf Hitler on 12 Feb in 1915)


3. Bavarian Medal of Military Service 3rd Class (Received on 25 Aug 1918)


4. Bavarian Cross of Military Merit 3rd Class with Swords (Received on 17 Sep 1917)


5. Regimental Diploma (Received by Adolf Hitler on 5 May in 1918)


6. Wound Badge in Black (Received by Adolf Hitler on 18 May in 1918)


7. Cross of Honor with Swords (Received by Adolf Hitler on 13 Jul in 1934)

Others:

1. Nuremberg Party Day Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1929)


2. Brunswick Rally Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1931)


3. Coburg Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1932)


4. Golden Party Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1933)


5. Blood Order (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1934)


6. Eagle of Sovereignty Pin (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1933)




4. Politics:


Political awards and badges received by Hitler himself:


1. Nazi Party Long Service Award (25 years to Adolf Hitler)


2. Nazi Gau Badges


3. Golden Hitler Youth Badge


4. Honour Chevron for the Old Guard





5. SS:


It was the paramilitary organization under leader of Nazi party (Adolf Hitler). These are the SS awards received by Adolf Hitler:


1. SS Zivilabzeichen (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1934)


2. SS Long Service Award (25 years to Adolf Hitler)


3. SS-Julleuchter




6. International:


Here are international awards received by Hitler:


1. Nobel Peace Prize (Nominated by Erik Gottfrid Christian Brandt, member of the Swedish parliament in 1939)


2. Time Man of the Year (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1938)


3. First Honorary Corporal Italian Blackshirts Militia (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1936)




7. Nazi Civilian Decoration:


Nazi civilian Award received by Hitler:





1.Olympic Games Decoration (As host of 1936 Olympic)

 

[0nelilreb]

From Google:

1. Iron Cross 1st Class (Received by Adolf Hitler on 4 Aug in 1918)


2. Iron Cross 2nd Class (Received by Adolf Hitler on 12 Feb in 1915)


3. Bavarian Medal of Military Service 3rd Class (Received on 25 Aug 1918)


4. Bavarian Cross of Military Merit 3rd Class with Swords (Received on 17 Sep 1917)


5. Regimental Diploma (Received by Adolf Hitler on 5 May in 1918)


6. Wound Badge in Black (Received by Adolf Hitler on 18 May in 1918)


7. Cross of Honor with Swords (Received by Adolf Hitler on 13 Jul in 1934)

Others:

1. Nuremberg Party Day Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1929)


2. Brunswick Rally Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1931)


3. Coburg Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1932)


4. Golden Party Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1933)


5. Blood Order (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1934)


6. Eagle of Sovereignty Pin (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1933)




4. Politics:


Political awards and badges received by Hitler himself:


1. Nazi Party Long Service Award (25 years to Adolf Hitler)


2. Nazi Gau Badges


3. Golden Hitler Youth Badge


4. Honour Chevron for the Old Guard





5. SS:


It was the paramilitary organization under leader of Nazi party (Adolf Hitler). These are the SS awards received by Adolf Hitler:


1. SS Zivilabzeichen (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1934)


2. SS Long Service Award (25 years to Adolf Hitler)


3. SS-Julleuchter




6. International:


Here are international awards received by Hitler:


1. Nobel Peace Prize (Nominated by Erik Gottfrid Christian Brandt, member of the Swedish parliament in 1939)


2. Time Man of the Year (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1938)


3. First Honorary Corporal Italian Blackshirts Militia (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1936)




7. Nazi Civilian Decoration:


Nazi civilian Award received by Hitler:





1.Olympic Games Decoration (As host of 1936 Olympic)

You are ate up with it

 

[Septic]

Just curious, can you quote a statute for that? All I've ever heard is there is no fraud until the loan is not paid. The interest rate offered is dependent on the banks' underwriting of the loan. If they are comfortable with the underwriting to offer X interest rate, that is on the bank.

Again, the general legal definition I've found has nothing to do with the repayment of the loan, just that the elements of intent to misrepresent, the lender relying on the misrepresentation and "damages" occur.

Here's Florida Statute, I'm sure it's similar in other States including NY.

For the purposes of the section, the term “mortgage lending process” means the process through which a person seeks or obtains a residential mortgage loan, including, but not limited to, the solicitation, application or origination, negotiation of terms, third-party provider services, underwriting, signing and closing, and funding of the loan. Documents involved in the mortgage lending process include, but are not limited to, mortgages, deeds, surveys, inspection reports, uniform residential loan applications, or other loan applications; appraisal reports; HUD-1 settlement statements; supporting personal documentation for loan applications such as W-2 forms, verifications of income and employment, credit reports, bank statements, tax returns, and payroll stubs; and any required disclosures.

(2) A person commits the offense of mortgage fraud if, with the intent to defraud, the person knowingly:

(a) Makes any material misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission during the mortgage lending process with the intention that the misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission will be relied on by a mortgage lender, borrower, or any other person or entity involved in the mortgage lending process; however, omissions on a loan application regarding employment, income, or assets for a loan which does not require this information are not considered a material omission for purposes of this subsection.

(b) Uses or facilitates the use of any material misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission during the mortgage lending process with the intention that the material misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission will be relied on by a mortgage lender, borrower, or any other person or entity involved in the mortgage lending process; however, omissions on a loan application regarding employment, income, or assets for a loan which does not require this information are not considered a material omission for purposes of this subsection.

(c) Receives any proceeds or any other funds in connection with the mortgage lending process that the person knew resulted from a violation of paragraph (a) or paragraph (b).

(d) Files or causes to be filed with the clerk of the circuit court for any county of this state a document involved in the mortgage lending process which contains a material misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission.

(3) An offense of mortgage fraud may not be predicated solely upon information lawfully disclosed under federal disclosure laws, regulations, or interpretations related to the mortgage lending process.

(4) For the purpose of venue under this section, any violation of this section is considered to have been committed:
(a) In the county in which the real property is located; or
(b) In any county in which a material act was performed in furtherance of the violation.

(5)(a) Any person who violates subsection (2) commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(b) Any person who violates subsection (2), and the loan value stated on documents used in the mortgage lending process exceeds $100,000, commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Bill Barr: NY State AG Trump Lawsuit ‘Political Hit Job’ — Dragging Children in ‘Gross Overreach’

Former Attorney General Bill Barr said Wednesday on FNC’s “America Reports” that New York State Attorney General Letitia James’s lawsuit against former President Donald Trump and his adult children was a “political hit job.”

Barr said, “It’s hard for me not to conclude it’s a political hit job. This is a woman who campaigned for office promising she was going to go after Trump, which I think is a tremendous abuse of office to go headhunting and targeting individuals. So I think she was targeting Trump.”

He continued, “This is after three years a civil lawsuit, the gist of which is when the Trump organization borrowed money, Trump personally guaranteed those loans, and to support that, she’s claiming that he inflated his assets on his financial statements. I’m not even sure she has a good case against Trump himself, but what ultimately persuades me that this is a political hit job is she grossly overreaches when she tries to drag the children into this.”

Bill Barr: NY State AG Trump Lawsuit 'Political Hit Job' -- Dragging Children in 'Gross Overreach'

 

[McDad]

Screw those rules

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[joevol33]

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But it's all made up, right Trumpsters? All fiction.

I'm seriously asking. Why can't you guys get over him? He's been gone for two years, and it's all liberals talk about. No Biden threads, but I understand why he sucks, just trump, constantly. Is it really that you can't get over him beating Hillary fair and square? Does it eat at you guys that much? It's seriously mind boggling.