Hyams on Alexis Johnson

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volinbama256 said:
Come on Butch, put the kid on the field... this off season we have seen plenty of kids do MUCH worse at other programs and not even have to run bleachers, much less suspended for any amount of time. Get him in shape and on the field... He's learned his lesson.
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Butch has no say in his suspension since it was handed down by the university. It's why his appeal is going to the Student Judicial system. It's just like Von Pearson's situation last year. UT has a code of conduct that all students must follow. If you violate that then they can suspend you from being a student, not a student, can't practice or play with the team.

I was almost suspended for multiple alcohol violations in the dorm. Had to meet with them and work out a plan to keep me on as a student. It's a pain in the ass but they were reasonable.
 
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swchandler1988 said:
https://vimeo.com/145751086

I think he could come in and contribute right away. Kamara only had exp. against JUCO players as well (and made them look silly). When I watch Kongbo and Johnson highlights I think "Ok, they aren't playing against D1 athletes, but they also aren't playing against high schoolers either." He is just a freaking wrecking ball..fingers crossed
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It's quite possible that he could. I'm more along the lines of it being more probable if, like AK, he would have arrived on campus early and worked out, practiced, been exposed to the playbook daily and then played but unlike AK, Alexis has sat out doin who knows what? Maybe working like heck(Fulmer line) or maybe drinking beer and eating tater chips and twinky's. Either way he hasn't been working out or practicing with the team so it would be MUCH more difficult to be very effective.

I'm rootin for him and know this team really needs him to come in and be able to give someone a breather and not be much of a drop off. Everything is riding on that 6 month period and what can/can't be done in that time period.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
That's a dangerous precedent to set. Gotta set rules and standards inside the program and not worry about the business of other programs. Butch has seemingly done a good job implementing and sticking to that very plan. Not to mention that Johnson's charges were domestic violence related and Tennessee can't afford to err on the side of too much leniency with issues involving violence against women, because of the Title IX stuff.
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7 of you like this post? So, with this rationale, police charge someone/you, DA investigates and your job suspends you (accusation is outside of your job and/or environment for legal fans). Police and DA drop charges and/or their investigation BECAUSE of biased and patently false statements (as shown with this case on the surface) yet, because of outside pressure, you think that it's best to release/demote/subjugate/fire? Welcome to the federal government. Just livin' the dream.... come on in, the water's fine.
 
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SNAFU said:
7 of you like this post? So, with this rationale, police charge someone/you, DA investigates and your job suspends you (accusation is outside of your job and/or environment for legal fans). Police and DA drop charges and/or their investigation BECAUSE of biased and patently false statements (as shown with this case on the surface) yet, because of outside pressure, you think that it's best to release/demote/subjugate/fire? Welcome to the federal government. Just livin' the dream.... come on in, the water's fine.
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Exactly. Johnson is not on court ordered probation, the 6 months is a condition of his sentencing, this is not connected to his suspension.
Of course UT could decide to connect the two, but IMO if he gets a pass by the student board then he should be reinstated. We all know
what happens if he screws up again, either before or after that 6 months is up.
 
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SNAFU said:
7 of you like this post? So, with this rationale, police charge someone/you, DA investigates and your job suspends you (accusation is outside of your job and/or environment for legal fans). Police and DA drop charges and/or their investigation BECAUSE of biased and patently false statements (as shown with this case on the surface) yet, because of outside pressure, you think that it's best to release/demote/subjugate/fire? Welcome to the federal government. Just livin' the dream.... come on in, the water's fine.
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I believe charges were reduced, not dropped. Also UT has a student code of conduct that all students must follow. It gives them the right to suspend any student for breaking it. They decided that he did break it. He is going to them to plead his case that either he didn't break it, it's not as bad as it looked, or he has changed and won't break it again.

Not sure what this has to do with the federal government but thank you for brining politics into this, I wasn't sick of seeing political stuff everywhere else.
 
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08Vol said:
I believe charges were reduced, not dropped. Also UT has a student code of conduct that all students must follow. It gives them the right to suspend any student for breaking it. They decided that he did break it. He is going to them to plead his case that either he didn't break it, it's not as bad as it looked, or he has changed and won't break it again.

Not sure what this has to do with the federal government but thank you for brining politics into this, I wasn't sick of seeing political stuff everywhere else.
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Not political in any means but pointedly directed at those who are part, or were part, of the Feds (to include military) and who understand the hypocrisy of the system. By your last sentence, I assume that you are not one who has experienced this. Good on you. I went to college and understand that the "the code of conduct" is very bias in that you are guilty until you prove your innocence. Again, just sayin'.
 
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08Vol said:
I believe charges were reduced, not dropped. Also UT has a student code of conduct that all students must follow. It gives them the right to suspend any student for breaking it.
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The charges were reduced and will be dismissed at the end of Johnson's 6 month "keep your nose clean" penalty. And nobody is
questioning UT's right to suspend students for breaches of conduct, but my understanding is that he is only suspended from the
team, haven't seen anything saying he was suspended by the university.
 
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SNAFU said:
7 of you like this post? So, with this rationale, police charge someone/you, DA investigates and your job suspends you (accusation is outside of your job and/or environment for legal fans). Police and DA drop charges and/or their investigation BECAUSE of biased and patently false statements (as shown with this case on the surface) yet, because of outside pressure, you think that it's best to release/demote/subjugate/fire? Welcome to the federal government. Just livin' the dream.... come on in, the water's fine.
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Don't try to compare this with what happens to Joe Schmo at a normal job. What happens there doesn't make a ripple beyond in house memos from the HR staff. Or, since it is outside the job, beyond the courtroom page consisting of three sentences in the local paper, or online for those who know where to look.

This gets coverage from all instate newspapers and TV stations, plus the national media, ESPN. Springer and Oprah if it goes on too long. When you are dealing with that many watchful eyes and inquiring minds? On the heels of settling a lawsuit with this individuals name on it? I prefer a more cautious approach.

I think I see dorsal fins in the pool. You jump in, and I will film you swimming, I might sell it to Tarantino if you really are screwing up.
 
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Unless I'm mistaken he has been enrolled the entire time, so he has not been suspended from school unless his suspension was suspended pending J board Review.

I think after the six months charges are dismissed and his record would be expunged, some were already dismissed at the hearing.
 
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UT's student conduct board will not have more conclusive evidence than the DA did. In October, his record will be clear, provided he continues to stay out of trouble. If he doesn't play here, he will play somewhere. Bama, UGA, UF, LSU, OM, Okla, FSU, etc., etc.-- all will welcome him with open arms. $ome might even send a bagman.
 
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With all the time he has missed and the time he will miss in August, I would be very surprised to see him on the field this season at all. Does he have a RS year avail?
 
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TNnative said:
Don't try to compare this with what happens to Joe Schmo at a normal job. What happens there doesn't make a ripple beyond in house memos from the HR staff. Or, since it is outside the job, beyond the courtroom page consisting of three sentences in the local paper, or online for those who know where to look.

This gets coverage from all instate newspapers and TV stations, plus the national media, ESPN. Springer and Oprah if it goes on too long. When you are dealing with that many watchful eyes and inquiring minds? On the heels of settling a lawsuit with this individuals name on it? I prefer a more cautious approach.

I think I see dorsal fins in the pool. You jump in, and I will film you swimming, I might sell it to Tarantino if you really are screwing up.
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Let him rejoin team activities and announce he's suspended for the first 2-3 games pending judicial board review. To hell with the social justice warriors.
 
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TNnative said:
Don't try to compare this with what happens to Joe Schmo at a normal job. What happens there doesn't make a ripple beyond in house memos from the HR staff.

This gets coverage from all instate newspapers and TV stations, plus the national media. When you are dealing with that many watchful eyes and inquiring minds? On the heels of settling a lawsuit with this individuals name on it? I prefer a more cautious approach.

I think I see dorsal fin in the pool. You jump in, and I will film you swimming, I might sell it to Tarantino if you really are screwing up.
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Problem is, there is no dorsal fin(s) that you can spot in some cases. With 18-22 year olds hyped up on hormones with groupies in the pool, the only insurance is keeping them in a bubble under close scrutiny. Additionally, it happens to more than just Joe Schmo in this climate. It is a matter of appeasing and appealing to the current climate that drives our society overall.
 
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Put the kid on the field! Satan never even disciplined TWO players caught in a car with drugs and a stolen gun fcol! This is ridiculous!
 
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chargervol said:
Had he already asked for the student judicial hearing, instead of the judge?
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I notice your question has not been answered. On our board, people are allowed to poke Hyams with impunity and need not respond when their premise is questioned.
You made the mistake of pointing out what new news Jimmy brought to the table.
 
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musolfmj said:
I notice your question has not been answered. On our board, people are allowed to poke Hyams with impunity and need not respond when their premise is questioned.
You made the mistake of pointing out what new news Jimmy brought to the table.
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Nobody replied to him because the answer to his question is plainly visible in Hyams' tweets.

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HoptownVol said:
Nobody replied to him because the answer to his question is plainly visible in Hyams' tweets
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No, it's not.

KB said there was no new news in Hyams tweets.
I asked if we already knew about him getting a student judicial hearing before Hyams.

Just a question but no, the answer if we knew before Hyams is not in the tweets.
 
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Thanks, I was just about to clarify for you Charger, but you doing it makes it work better.
 
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musolfmj said:
Thanks, I was just about to clarify for you Charger, but you doing it makes it work better.
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One of those lines of posts that could become confusing quickly.

I was unaware until the hyams tweet that he had asked for the student judicial hearing.
I can't swear it was news but it was news to me LOL
 
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chargervol said:
No, it's not.

KB said there was no new news in Hyams tweets.
I asked if we already knew about him getting a student judicial hearing before Hyams.

Just a question but no, the answer if we knew before Hyams is not in the tweets.
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Excuse me, this is your quote.

Had he already asked for the student judicial hearing, instead of the judge?
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Hyams answered this question. Do you need further clarification?
 
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HoptownVol said:
Excuse me, this is your quote.



Hyams answered this question. Do you need further clarification?
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Okay, let's try this again.

KB said there was no new news in those tweets.
I was asking if the student judicial hearing had been reported BEFORE those tweets.
 
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When Hyams (1) bothers to tweet about it, (2) explains that this will expedite the case, and (3) says Isaacs has confirmed Johnson requested the Student Judicial hearing, I'd say you were right in spotting this as new news.
 
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chargervol said:
Okay, let's try this again.

KB said there was no new news in those tweets.
I was asking if the student judicial hearing had been reported BEFORE those tweets.
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And again, the answer is this....its irrelevant.

Hyams is paraphrasing Johnson's attorney who said "we asked for a student board review rather than an administrative
judge in order to expedite the process."

I dont think Hyams is reporting old news as if it matters, but you keep digging to get to the bottom of this grand mystery.
 
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HoptownVol said:
And again, the answer is this....its irrelevant.

Hyams is paraphrasing Johnson's attorney who said "we asked for a student board review rather than an administrative
judge in order to expedite the process."

I dont think Hyams is reporting old news as if it matters, but you keep digging to get to the bottom of this grand mystery.
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No, it was just a simple question.
At least until...
 
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