Hypothetical American Protest/Riot Scenarios

#26
#26
MG1968 said:
during the Bush Presidency, was the anger from the left an equal mystery to you?
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Well, everyone hated the Bush Presidency.

I understand now.

In truth though, the Right has been ascendent for a very long time. Look at the Right of Center positions staked out by Clinton / New Labour. It has very little to do with a Right of Center Obama.
 
#31
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utgibbs said:
Well, everyone hated the Bush Presidency.

I understand now.

In truth though, the Right has been ascendent for a very long time. Look at the Right of Center positions staked out by Clinton / New Labour. It has very little to do with a Right of Center Obama.
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You make a good point.

If* Obama loses 2012, it won't be because of right-wingers. He'll lose because he has some on the left screaming for his throat. Candidate Obama is different than President Obama.
 
#32
#32
i see so in your opinion the left will vote for a republican over obama because obama isn't left enough. makes sense to me.
 
#34
#34
only the true wackjob lefts think obama isn't left enough and all of those will vote for obama because of white guilt and hatred of whoever the republicans put up. it's the moderates obama should be very worried about and the polls show that CLEARLY.
 
#35
#35
and i love this theory that clinton was rightwing. hell isnt' clinton supposed to be the example of a liberal president where the economy was strong? doesn't this basically argue against a true liberal president if the most right wing democrat as president in recent history is the most successful?
 
#36
#36
Need to distinguish left vs. right across three grids, imo: spending and taxation, social policy, national security.

If you did so, my sense is that Obama is very left on spending and tax, somewhat left on social policy (but not that much further than Bush), and in the center or even to the right of center on national security.

In comparison, put Clinton in the middle on spending and taxation, further left on social policy than Obama, and a little further left on national security than Obama.

Bush, put much further right than either of the others on spending and taxation, left of center on social policy, and further right than the others on national security.


Right now, I think the country is focused on spending and taxation. If Obama succeeds in either outright transforming, or in appearing to transform, to the right on spending and taxation I think he wins easily in '12. His views on social policy and on national security are not a problem for most Americans.

Someone like Palin would be much further right on social policy, in particular, and that is not imo viewed by many people as a justification to vote for her because the country is by and large to the left now on social policy and much more worried about other things.
 
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droski said:
only the true wackjob lefts think obama isn't left enough and all of those will vote for obama because of white guilt and hatred of whoever the republicans put up. it's the moderates obama should be very worried about and the polls show that CLEARLY.
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I think you're both right. He's going to feel pressure from the far left (the real far left, not the VN idea of far left) and the middle
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#38
#38
a major increase in taxes, Gas/food shortages, Govt taking something of mine using force (guns/home, etc), would all be reason for me to protest and riot if need be
 
#39
#39
lawgator1 said:
Someone like Palin would be much further right on social policy, in particular, and that is not imo viewed by many people as a justification to vote for her because the country is by and large to the left now on social policy and much more worried about other things.
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you really need to get past palin. how many people knew who obama was a couple of years before he got elected?
 
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droski said:
you really need to get past palin. how many people knew who obama was a couple of years before he got elected?
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As soon as someone else starts getting as much hype from the GOP (or the right, as the case may be), be happy to consider their position on things.

Right now, she seems to be the only one clearly getting talked about.
 
#41
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she's on tv a lot. i don't consider that an indicator that the GOP is pushing her for president.
 
#42
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droski said:
she's on tv a lot. i don't consider that an indicator that the GOP is pushing her for president.
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I don't think that the party really is and in fact I think that, as many conservative commentators say, they realize that nominating her pretty much guarantees an Obama reelection.

But she has money, notoriety, and a solid lock on a big percentage of the most fervent party voters in the primaries.

When someone else shows signs of life,we can discuss. Right now, she seems like the only game in town.
 
#43
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lawgator1 said:
But she has money, notoriety, and a solid lock on a big percentage of the most fervent party voters in the primaries.
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i haven't seen a poll that indicates people would vote for her over romney or anyone other republican for that matter.
 
#44
#44
The left will riot pretty much anything because they are paid to do so. SB1070, World Bank, Environment, Republican conventions, etc. The right - not so much. We don't have hate organizations like SEIU, the NAACP and moveon.
 
#45
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azVolFan said:
The left will riot pretty much anything because they are paid to do so. SB1070, World Bank, Environment, Republican conventions, etc. The right - not so much. We don't have hate organizations like SEIU, the NAACP and moveon.
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Nominate for idiotic post of the day.
 
#47
#47
lawgator1 said:
As soon as someone else starts getting as much hype from the GOP (or the right, as the case may be), be happy to consider their position on things.

Right now, she seems to be the only one clearly getting talked about.
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It's official, you have Palin Derangement Syndrome.

She will not win the nomination and I think the chances of her running are less than 50%. Start hating someone else, you're wasting your time.

The next president will understand and believe in capitalism so pretty much rules out the entire democratic party.
 
#48
#48
bam15 said:
You make a good point.

If* Obama loses 2012, it won't be because of right-wingers. He'll lose because he has some on the left screaming for his throat. Candidate Obama is different than President Obama.
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Very good point.

And very prescient analysis of 2012. If Obama loses (and Tucson may have derailed a Palin bid which would have secured his second term) it will be because he has alienated the constituency within his party who actually does the hard neighborhood by neighborhood graft, getting people to the voting booth.
 
#50
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utgibbs said:
Very good point.

And very prescient analysis of 2012. If Obama loses (and Tucson may have derailed a Palin bid which would have secured his second term) it will be because he has alienated the constituency within his party who actually does the hard neighborhood by neighborhood graft, getting people to the voting booth.
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Wow. Just wow.
 
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