I am worried re: QB's

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I assume Worley will start and get a few games, but unless the Vols are winning and playing well it would be counterproductive to stick with him all year. By the the season's midpoint the coaches would be wise to play the younger QBs.
 
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When you read things like this...

And watch the clips that are made available from practices...

I don't care who you are...if you care about Tennessee Football...you are concerned with our lack of finding a "SEC Caliber QB".
 
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Stevorino said:
Butch controls what the media sees.

I'm in no way suggesting he is having any part of the team intentionally screw up for media access. But you better believe he is choosing exercises for media access that help motivate his team and control expectations.

After practice one, Swain and Ainge were drooling all over Worley on twitter. Some fan tweeted him and said 'whoa- I may have to change my prediction from 7 to 9 wins.' Swain backed off and said 'not so fast'. Since then, i havent seen Swain sunshine pumping. This fan base has a tendency to take a small tidbit and turn it into an irrational overreaction.

Once again, I'm not suggesting anyone is intentionally underperforming. But as detailed and aware as butch seems to be, I don't doubt that managing this fan base and local media's expectations is an objective during fall camp.
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Good post along with the one earlier about the coaches determining what these guys can do then not asking them to do things they can't do well.

I keep saying it so that hopefully those prone to panic will see it.... but coaches push players to failure and especially right now. They more or less know what they can do... they want to see what more they can get.

This isn't unique to this year or even UT. I would say it is VERY likely that if the QB's have something they are really good at that Jones will keep it quiet. It is better for opponents to be salivating over supposed weaknesses than preparing for strengths.

That said, I do NOT like that Worley is seeming to struggle with underthrows on fairly basic routes. I understand throwing it up and trusting a guy like North to come down with it but he can't underthrow it.
 
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I think Worley will be fine. All SEC -- no... but good enough to manage the offense and make some plays -- yes. I'm not sure what to make of Peterman after the UF disaster. He might not be SEC caliber. Dobbs is concerning because anonymous conference coaches said he is not SEC caliber. Hopefully, Worley gets it together as I think he will.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
No coach likes their QBs at the start of a camp. Go back and read about our QBs to start spring practice, and you will see the same things said. People who are freaking out over this need to take a step back. Worley helped us win against a Top 10 team last season, so I'm not for sure why people are freaking out. We are going to have a MUCH better running game this year, so it will take a lot of the pressure off of him to be perfect.
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i want to win no matter who is at QB, But you must have been in the restroom when north made the super catch on the ( not on purpose) under thrown ball.
 
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armchair said:
I assume Worley will start and get a few games, but unless the Vols are winning and playing well it would be counterproductive to stick with him all year. By the the season's midpoint the coaches would be wise to play the younger QBs.
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That is true. I think the signs to this point have pointed at Worley. HOWEVER, as the ol' saying goes... you can't throw the long ones short or the short ones long.

Just based on what they're allowing us to see, over the past couple of days Dobbs has continued to be long but he hasn't thrown it short into trouble. Worley seems by and large more accurate but he's throwing short on a fairly regular basis which will be nothing but trouble against live opposition.
 
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sjt18 said:
Good post along with the one earlier about the coaches determining what these guys can do then not asking them to do things they can't do well.

I keep saying it so that hopefully those prone to panic will see it.... but coaches push players to failure and especially right now. They more or less know what they can do... they want to see what more they can get.

This isn't unique to this year or even UT. I would say it is VERY likely that if the QB's have something they are really good at that Jones will keep it quiet. It is better for opponents to be salivating over supposed weaknesses than preparing for strengths.

That said, I do NOT like that Worley is seeming to struggle with underthrows on fairly basic routes. I understand throwing it up and trusting a guy like North to come down with it but he can't underthrow it.
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Thanks SJT

I keep saying:

Butch could very easily have Worley throwing short slants all day- something he could do behind an OLine of naked strippers.

Instead, they are throwing in red zone coverage against what this board is calling a pair of lockdown corners.

I've never been a QB except on the flag football field - but even I know those are two very different levels of difficulty.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
I wonder what happened to Worley when he came to UT. Former Gatorade player of the year in SC. Maybe the competition level and the skill players on defense in the SEC have taken a toll on him.
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I thought that all 3 of the QB's and Ferguson were 4 stars coming out of high school. If that is the case and we are starting our second year with this staff I have to question if we have a position coach who knows how to develop a QB?

Working on accuracy at this stage of the season could be a killer. Butch should have named a QB at the end of Spring so they could develop timing and accuracy in the 7 on 7's over the summer. The QB's should be in a state of fine tuning and developing their reads in Fall camp. Not working on fundamental development of the QB.
 
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TCbodybuilder said:
I think Worley will be fine. All SEC -- no... but good enough to manage the offense and make some plays -- yes. I'm not sure what to make of Peterman after the UF disaster. He might not be SEC caliber. Dobbs is concerning because anonymous conference coaches said he is not SEC caliber. Hopefully, Worley gets it together as I think he will.
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Tend to agree about Worley but he MUST get past throwing balls short.

I have felt the same about Peterman for most of the last year but it appears he is working his way into the mix and improving. Jones didn't give up on him which is a statement in itself.

That statement about Dobbs was the Fr Josh Dobbs of about 25 lbs ago. I don't know if he's SEC caliber now or ever will be.... but he's not the same player physically that he was last fall.
 
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onevol74 said:
Working on accuracy at this stage of the season could be a killer. Butch should have named a QB at the end of Spring so they could develop timing and accuracy in the 7 on 7's over the summer. The QB's should be in a state of fine tuning and developing their reads in Fall camp. Not working on fundamental development of the QB.
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Agree for the most part except we don't actually know what the coaches are asking the QB's to do. For instance, the other day we had a few posters here exclaiming "Lead the receiver!!!!" It appeared that every throw Worley made was behind the WR. Come to find out... the coaches had asked them to work on back shoulder throws. It isn't the ones who were failing to hit those throws that we need to write off... its the ones they asked to continue hitting WR's in stride. They are the ones not ready for more advanced challenges.
 
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Like it or not, the coaches were counting on Riley Ferguson to start. We will not have a decent quarterback until some of our new quarterback recruits show up. The coaches will have to do the best they can with what they have which is not much.
 
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I saw Lane Kiffin transform Jon Crompton from a 2yr laughing stock to one of the better quarterbacks in the conference almost overnight by figuring out what he does well. Which was play fake then roll out to the right.

Worley wasn't recruited for this system, but there has to be something he does well, it's up to the staff to figure out what and go with it.

Dobbs can run, but he looked worse than Worley did his freshman season. Worley had a beautiful deep pass that was perfect to Da'Rick Rogers vs South Carolina, if it doesn't go right thru his hands UT likely wins that game.

So to answer the OP, yes I am worried about the QB's and the offensive staff not playing to their strengths. The worry didn't start after the first week of practice in 2014 but after the Oregon game in 2013.
 
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sjt18 said:
Tend to agree about Worley but he MUST get past throwing balls short.

I have felt the same about Peterman for most of the last year but it appears he is working his way into the mix and improving. Jones didn't give up on him which is a statement in itself.

That statement about Dobbs was the Fr Josh Dobbs of about 25 lbs ago. I don't know if he's SEC caliber now or ever will be.... but he's not the same player physically that he was last fall.
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True. I agree with all your points.

Even with Peterman working his way in the mix it makes me a little uneasy just because of how bad he looked. Granted it was at UF and they were still healthy and hopeful entering the game. Still, makes me wonder if all 3 are not that talented or he is really stepping up. I prefer to hope he's stepping up which is good for the Vols.

I think Dobbs has the potential to do well as his body continues to grow physically. I think he still needs more time to mature physically.

If the o-line gets shaky (real possibility starting game 1 and def in the SEC the possibility increases) who do you think is the best option?
 
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PowerT83 said:
I saw Lane Kiffin transform Jon Crompton from a 2yr laughing stock to one of the better quarterbacks in the conference almost overnight by figuring out what he does well. Which was play fake then roll out to the right.

Worley wasn't recruited for this system, but there has to be something he does well, it's up to the staff to figure out what and go with it.

Dobbs can run, but he looked worse than Worley did his freshman season. Worley had a beautiful deep pass that was perfect to Da'Rick Rogers vs South Carolina, if it doesn't go right thru his hands UT likely wins that game.

So to answer the OP, yes I am worried about the QB's and the offensive staff not playing to their strengths. The worry didn't start after the first week of practice in 2014 but after the Oregon game in 2013.
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Dormady is fairly similar in style and physical strengths to Worley. Worley wasn't recruited by Jones but he ran a similar system in HS (anyone else remember the concern that he'd never take a direct snap?) and he can run enough.

Jones says these guys are inconsistent... not incapable. If they are inconsistent then they are getting it right "some times". Now... we get to see what kind of coaches they are.
 
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TucsonVol said:
Like it or not, the coaches were counting on Riley Ferguson to start. We will not have a decent quarterback until some of our new quarterback recruits show up. The coaches will have to do the best they can with what they have which is not much.
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I imagine the coaches liked RF's arm. I doubt they were counting on him to start. It is likely they knew EXACTLY the kind of attitude they were working with from the start...

As far as "not much" goes... there are lots of guys who were no better than these guys who succeeded in the SEC and at UT. Clausen obviously never had NFL caliber talent... he got the ball to playmakers and had some success at UT. Wuerffel won the Heisman with less ability than any of UT's top 4. Connor Shaw was never a "great" passer but was a gamer who led his team.


Many of you guys got mad at me for doubting the coaches "too soon".... well, how about giving those same coaches and these players a chance before declaring them failures?
 
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MrBiggles said:
I wish football season would start so these threads would shut down. Only the problem then would be bench (insert QB) for (insert QB) threads.
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If you think things are bad now, when people are the most optimistic, then just wait until the season begins and we still suck and all your worst fears turn out to actually be true. this website will burn!
 
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MWAVolfan said:
If you think things are bad now, when people are the most optimistic, then just wait until the season begins and we still suck and all your worst fears turn out to actually be true. this website will burn!
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You... have issues.
 
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sjt18 said:
Dormady is fairly similar in style and physical strengths to Worley. Worley wasn't recruited by Jones but he ran a similar system in HS (anyone else remember the concern that he'd never take a direct snap?) and he can run enough.

Jones says these guys are inconsistent... not incapable. If they are inconsistent then they are getting it right "some times". Now... we get to see what kind of coaches they are.
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Worley ran good with the ball last year, he just didn't do it enough. His inability to run is one thing I get tired of hearing and reading about.

I remember reading Worley came from a spead offense in HS but figured since he was a Chaney recruit that he didn't really fit with what Butch was doing.

I watched Cincy when they had Zach Collaros and Munchie Legaux they both put up big numbers and I don't think either is as good as Worley.
 
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PowerT83 said:
I saw Lane Kiffin transform Jon Crompton from a 2yr laughing stock to one of the better quarterbacks in the conference almost overnight by figuring out what he does well. Which was play fake then roll out to the right.

Worley wasn't recruited for this system, but there has to be something he does well, it's up to the staff to figure out what and go with it.

Dobbs can run, but he looked worse than Worley did his freshman season. Worley had a beautiful deep pass that was perfect to Da'Rick Rogers vs South Carolina, if it doesn't go right thru his hands UT likely wins that game.

So to answer the OP, yes I am worried about the QB's and the offensive staff not playing to their strengths. The worry didn't start after the first week of practice in 2014 but after the Oregon game in 2013.
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Not overnight - I remember Crompton struggling mightily vs UCLA then Auburn.

Georgia game was in October - 10 months after Kiffin arrived.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Not overnight - I remember Crompton struggling mightily vs UCLA then Auburn.

Georgia game was in October - 10 months after Kiffin arrived.
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That's why I said two years. The first half of the 2009 season was just as bad as the whole 2008 season.
 
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