I Give Up..

#51
#51
hillsborovol said:
Excellent points.

I have one small disagreement in that Peterson did have considerable talent on his teams. We didn't recognize some of it until Pearl took over and some of it was simply wasted. Yarbrough, Haislip, Higgins, Slay, Watson, Mc***don, Lofton, Smith, etc. were quite talented, yet Buzz couldn't make it happen.
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Somebody correct me if I am wrong about this, but during the last year of BuzzBall, wasn't several key players injured? My opinion at the time Hammy fired him was that season went south because of that.
 
#52
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TNnative said:
Asking for Pearl back IS beating a dead horse, friend. I understand folks wishing he was still the coach. I am one of them. However, the reward of having Bruce back is outweighed by the risk. It's the way it went down. It had little to do with the violations, and more to do with how Bruce handled it. Bruce Pearl may be a folk hero from now until the end of time in Knoxville, but to the NCAA, he is a pariah. Even Bruce is telling us to let it go. Listen to him.

If Martin cannot make this team play to reasonable expectations, UT has to pay another contract buyout that can hardly be afforded. This all is just one of many consequences of Mike Hamilton being the AD.

Best thing we all can do, as painful as it may be, is let CCM finish out his contract, and let Dave Hart and the powers that be at UT make a decision then. Let's back our players. They represent Tennessee, and that includes you and me. And if they have ever needed it before, they need it now more than ever. GO VOLS.
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What would you rather do? Beat a dead horse or watch Cuonzo coach?
 
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TNnative said:
Asking for Pearl back IS beating a dead horse, friend. I understand folks wishing he was still the coach. I am one of them. However, the reward of having Bruce back is outweighed by the risk. It's the way it went down. It had little to do with the violations, and more to do with how Bruce handled it. Bruce Pearl may be a folk hero from now until the end of time in Knoxville, but to the NCAA, he is a pariah. Even Bruce is telling us to let it go. Listen to him.

If Martin cannot make this team play to reasonable expectations, UT has to pay another contract buyout that can hardly be afforded. This all is just one of many consequences of Mike Hamilton being the AD.

Best thing we all can do, as painful as it may be, is let CCM finish out his contract, and let Dave Hart and the powers that be at UT make a decision then. Let's back our players. They represent Tennessee, and that includes you and me. And if they have ever needed it before, they need it now more than ever. GO VOLS.
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I don't mean to be offensive but if Cuonzo continues in the direction it seems to be heading, paying his buyout will be pennies compared to lost revenue. I think he stands a decent chance of being retained one more year but how's he going to turn things around next year when he loses 90% of his scoring? You can't extend his contract and recruiting will be all but impossible as a lame duck coach. My biggest concern is the AD won't find anybody any better.
 
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TNnative said:
Asking for Pearl back IS beating a dead horse, friend. I understand folks wishing he was still the coach. I am one of them. However, the reward of having Bruce back is outweighed by the risk. It's the way it went down. It had little to do with the violations, and more to do with how Bruce handled it. Bruce Pearl may be a folk hero from now until the end of time in Knoxville, but to the NCAA, he is a pariah. Even Bruce is telling us to let it go. Listen to him.

If Martin cannot make this team play to reasonable expectations, UT has to pay another contract buyout that can hardly be afforded. This all is just one of many consequences of Mike Hamilton being the AD.

Best thing we all can do, as painful as it may be, is let CCM finish out his contract, and let Dave Hart and the powers that be at UT make a decision then. Let's back our players. They represent Tennessee, and that includes you and me. And if they have ever needed it before, they need it now more than ever. GO VOLS.
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Bruce did not say let it go. He said the right words. So what did you expect him to say? If he said I am not coming back then you could say listen to him. I find it funny how all the ones who preached hatred for Pearl all now state they always supported him.lol
 
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Sandvol said:
What would you rather do? Beat a dead horse or watch Cuonzo coach?
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What's the difference? I am with everybody that this is unacceptable, but we don't need to pay buyouts. And having Bruce back will mean the NCAA is coming after Tennessee with a vengeance. In ALL sports. If Cuonzo IS let go, Bruce will not take his place. Bruce's future is to follow Dick Vitale. People can wish, complain, protest, petition, and scream all they want. Butch will not be back.
 
#58
#58
I gave up after Ray Mears, Pearl gave us a few years, but other than that we have SUCKED for many years.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't mean to be offensive but if Cuonzo continues in the direction it seems to be heading, paying his buyout will be pennies compared to lost revenue. I think he stands a decent chance of being retained one more year but how's he going to turn things around next year when he loses 90% of his scoring? You can't extend his contract and recruiting will be all but impossible as a lame duck coach. My biggest concern is the AD won't find anybody any better.
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Well, at least it isn't Mike Hamilton making the hires anymore. And I agree, it may be painful to make a change, but the next one HAS to be good. It just irks me that after they fired Bruce, and before they hired Counzo, Gregg Marshall expressed interest in the Tennessee job. Inasmuch as Hamilton did for facilities upgrades and additions, his coaching hires were asinine.
 
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knowthevols said:
Bruce did not say let it go. He said the right words. So what did you expect him to say? If he said I am not coming back then you could say listen to him. I find it funny how all the ones who preached hatred for Pearl all now state they always supported him.lol
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I don't hate Bruce. I loved it when he was coaching. And I have no doubt that Bruce does want to come back.

That doesn't take away the events that let to him being forced out. He commits minor violations. He lied about it. Then was forced to admit he lied. He got a 5 game suspension from Slive. Then he gets caught breaking the rules again and was fired.

I would LOVE IT if he COULD come back. But it will not happen. Mark it down. The fact that many of us cannot accept it will NOT change it.

If by some miracle he IS allowed to come back, come at me then. But according to statements made to every sports journalist that has made inquiries, you or I have a better chance of coaching this team than Bruce does right now.
 
#62
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TNnative said:
Somebody correct me if I am wrong about this, but during the last year of BuzzBall, wasn't several key players injured? My opinion at the time Hammy fired him was that season went south because of that.
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I don't think so. I don't remember any major injuries.
 
#63
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TNnative said:
I don't hate Bruce. I loved it when he was coaching. And I have no doubt that Bruce does want to come back.

That doesn't take away the events that let to him being forced out. He commits minor violations. He lied about it. Then was forced to admit he lied. He got a 5 game suspension from Slive. Then he gets caught breaking the rules again and was fired.

I would LOVE IT if he COULD come back. But it will not happen. Mark it down. The fact that many of us cannot accept it will NOT change it.

If by some miracle he IS allowed to come back, come at me then. But according to statements made to every sports journalist that has made inquiries, you or I have a better chance of coaching this team than Bruce does right now.
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Slive gave him an 8 game suspension and there was no mention of another infraction while he was serving his suspension. I assume you were referring to the bump rule violation. It was never mentioned at the NCAA hearing so it never happened, just another media hype.
 
#66
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knowthevols said:
Then why wasn't it in the charges against him? You saw it posted somewhere on the web and just knew it was etched in stone. Since they didn't find him guilty of the offense.
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They found him not guilty, but the incident DID happen, you were trying to say it was a fictitious event made up by the media.
 
#67
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rockytop25 said:
We have so many fans that when the going gets tough they just like to give in & quit..so disappointing
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Kind of like the basketball team? Quit bashing the fans. Who is getting paid a ton of money to push this product? Sure as he!! ain't the fans, who have to actually pay to watch this boring, pathetic garbage masquerading as basketball. Watching UT basketball is almost as bad as watching gay porn. So I just wish everybody would lay the he!! off the fans. This is on the coaches. They need to crap or get off the pot and quit wasting our time.
 
#68
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knowthevols said:
Slive gave him an 8 game suspension and there was no mention of another infraction while he was serving his suspension. I assume you were referring to the bump rule violation. It was never mentioned at the NCAA hearing so it never happened, just another media hype.
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It did happen. Jordan Adams was interviewed and said that Pearl talked to him and his team 4 days after he admitted that he lied. Pearl also let Brian Williams play in the NCAA tourney after he failed his 4th drug test. He also gave extra tickets to a player for the KY home game that year which was another secondary violation.
 
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johnnybravo said:
It did happen. Jordan Adams was interviewed and said that Pearl talked to him and his team 4 days after he admitted that he lied. Pearl also let Brian Williams play in the NCAA tourney after he failed his 4th drug test. He also gave extra tickets to a player for the KY home game that year which was another secondary violation.
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I think what he means is since it wasn't in the stipulations of his show cause then it didn't happen kind of like if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it.....however, it wasn't in his show cause because it happened after Tennessee did their self punishment and the NCAA was happy the way Tennessee handled it, i.e. it didn't change the way the NCAA was proceeding with their investigation or ruling but it changed UT's perception of Bruce. (this guys too risky to keep around) I hope all that makes sense.

Politicians and administrators are very anti-risk. Bruce would be a very risky hire from their viewpoint.
 
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#70
When you have administrators like DiPietro, Cheeks and Hart they are going to make the hires that keep their asses out of trouble. They want to make the fans happy but they also don't want to get fired. But none of those guys blood runs Orange. They want their coaches and programs to do well because it makes their lives easy not because they bleed Orange. So, they're not going to take a risk on Bruce because it would make most of the fans happy. If they did they would be skewered unmercifully by the holier than thou media and other university administrators and coaches. They are going to make the best hire they can to get everybody off their ass but they're not going to hire Bruce.
 
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Sandvol said:
When you have administrators like DiPietro, Cheeks and Hart they are going to make the hires that keep their asses out of trouble. They want to make the fans happy but they also don't want to get fired. But none of those guys blood runs Orange. They want their coaches and programs to do well because it makes their lives easy not because they bleed Orange. So, they're not going to take a risk on Bruce because it would make most of the fans happy. If they did they would be skewered unmercifully by the holier than thou media and other university administrators and coaches. They are going to make the best hire they can to get everybody off their ass but they're not going to hire Bruce.
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They better throw all we got at Shaka otherwise I'm going to be pissed
 
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#75
#75
OrangeAllDay said:
If we hire a ****ing no name I'm all for calling for hart's head
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Very few athletic directors have been fired through the years because of bad hires if you think about it. Some of them go through 10 coaches before they get it right. It is much more easy to fire them if they hire coaches who cause NCAA sanctions. However, by the same token, their lives are much easier if the fans are happy. Look at Hamilton, he wasn't fired but he was skating on thin ice not because of bad hires but because his coaches were committing infractions. But he resigned because of the stress from unhappy fans.
 
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