I hate Urban Meyer

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tvolsfan said:
That's like saying, "I think Lloyd Carr is better than John Cooper." Big deal.

The staff will pull in great recruits and I have seen nothing to indicate they won't be able to develop them extremely well. That's the formula for success. Kiffin may not dominate here, but there is no real weakness with the way he is doing things. I'm pretty confident things will turn out very well.
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Wrong. Evaluating coaches is much more complex than evaluating players. I saw Nick Stephens give the game away against Wyoming, and the fact that he couldn't beat out Crompton at the beginning of the season speaks volumes.

And I don't doubt that Kiffin will be a good coach, if not already a very good recruiter. I just think it's WAY premature to lump him in with two coaches with championship pedigrees and plenty of recruiting momentum of their own.
 
#52
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Lawrence Wright said:
I'm amazed at how quickly some folks are to put Kiffin in the same league as Saban and Meyer.

Tennessee is at best two years away from challenging for the SEC.

Meanwhile Saban and Meyer are at worst two stellar recruiting classes ahead of Kiffin, and in spite of UT's excellent recruiting both Bama and UF are on pace to add yet another exceptional crop of recruits.

No one expects UF to compete for the NC the next 3 out of 4 years, but Tennessee has plenty of work to do before being considered "equal" with Florida or Bama.
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I understand your point and there is some merit to it. I would however point out that CLK pieced an O-line together using walk on players and developed a qb who was one of the worst in the league and turned him into one of the best in less than a year. With much less in the talent department he was able to keep both of the games with the top two teams in the nation competitive.

Being that he was able to pull this off why are we not to believe we will be much improved once better players suit up? Seems fairly logical to me.
 
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KB5252 said:
I understand your point and there is some merit to it. I would however point out that CLK pieced an O-line together using walk on players and developed a qb who was one of the worst in the league and turned him into one of the best in less than a year. With much less in the talent department he was able to keep both of the games with the top two teams in the nation competitive.

Being that he was able to pull this off why are we not to believe we will be much improved once better players suit up? Seems fairly logical to me.
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Saying UT will be much improved based on Crompton's turnaround, pulling in better recruits and playing Bama close is very logical.

Saying UT will be equal with Bama and Florida is something totally different.
 
#54
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Lawrence Wright said:
Saying UT will be much improved based on Crompton's turnaround, pulling in better recruits and playing Bama close is very logical.

Saying UT will be equal with Bama and Florida is something totally different.
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If they were competitive with Bama and Florida with less talented players why would it be a stretch to think they would not be on equal footing when the talent is closer to equal?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Saying UT will be much improved based on Crompton's turnaround, pulling in better recruits and playing Bama close is very logical.

Saying UT will be equal with Bama and Florida is something totally different.
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How much do you think your Offense was hurt by the departure of Mullen and how do you think your Defense could be impacted by the apparent departure of Strong?
 
#56
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KB5252 said:
If they were competitive with Bama and Florida with less talented players why would it be a stretch to think they would not be on equal footing when the talent is closer to equal?
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I simply think Saban and Meyer are superior coaches to Kiffin, and given equal talent Alabama and Florida beats Tennessee more often than not.

I also think being "equal" entails competing for the SEC and national title on an annual basis. In the foreseeable future I can see either Bama or Florida doing that for as long as Saban and Meyer stay put. Bama should be the pre-season #1 next season, and in 2011 UF should be back in the hunt. Tennessee is at best two years away from POTENTIALLY being in that category.

However I don't doubt that Tennessee is headed in the right direction. The same can be said for teams like Arkansas and Auburn.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I simply think Saban and Meyer are superior coaches to Kiffin, and given equal talent Alabama and Florida beats Tennessee more often than not. ...
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You lost Mullen, and the offense has struggled.

You are losing Tebow, who has carried the offense on his back this year.

You might lose Strong who heads your defense.

You still have Meyer. However, Meyer has never had success without Mullen.

There are a lot of uncertainties in UF’s future.
 
#58
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Lawrence Wright said:
I simply think Saban and Meyer are superior coaches to Kiffin, and given equal talent Alabama and Florida beats Tennessee more often than not.

I also think being "equal" entails competing for the SEC and national title on an annual basis. In the foreseeable future I can see either Bama or Florida doing that for as long as Saban and Meyer stay put. Bama should be the pre-season #1 next season, and in 2011 UF should be back in the hunt. Tennessee is at best two years away from POTENTIALLY being in that category.

However I don't doubt that Tennessee is headed in the right direction. The same can be said for teams like Arkansas and Auburn.
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I'm not so sure about Auburn. They certainly fell apart toward the end of the season.
 
#59
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Lawrence Wright said:
I simply think Saban and Meyer are superior coaches to Kiffin, and given equal talent Alabama and Florida beats Tennessee more often than not.

I also think being "equal" entails competing for the SEC and national title on an annual basis. In the foreseeable future I can see either Bama or Florida doing that for as long as Saban and Meyer stay put. Bama should be the pre-season #1 next season, and in 2011 UF should be back in the hunt. Tennessee is at best two years away from POTENTIALLY being in that category.

However I don't doubt that Tennessee is headed in the right direction. The same can be said for teams like Arkansas and Auburn.
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Arkansas and Auburn aren't going anywhere. Lane Kiffin can no doubt bring in talent. I saw him develop the talent this year, which gives me confidence he'll be playing UF and Bama evenly sooner rather than later.
 
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VolDad said:
You lost Mullen, and the offense has struggled.

You are losing Tebow, who has carried the offense on his back this year.

You might lose Strong who heads your defense.

You still have Meyer. However, Meyer has never had success without Mullen.

There are a lot of uncertainties in UF’s future.
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I'm certain UF's last 3 recruiting classes are superior to Tennessee's.

What the future holds I have no idea. Losing Strong will hurt the defense. How much I don't know.

I think UF will be fine with Brantley. I expect Meyer to change to offense to fit his skills similar to when Leak was the starter.

I'd be fine with Meyer replacing Addazio. He is a definite downgrade over Mullen, although Mullen had the luxury of having Tebow hand off and pass to Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy.

UF will take a step back next season, but will still be ranked in the Top 10 nationally and the favorite to win the East. Bama will likely be the pre-season #1.

In 2011 I expect UF to be back in the Top 5 and competing with Bama for the SEC and national championship.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Wrong. Evaluating coaches is much more complex than evaluating players. I saw Nick Stephens give the game away against Wyoming, and the fact that he couldn't beat out Crompton at the beginning of the season speaks volumes.
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What are you trying to prove by that? Stephens won't be here for more than one year.

And I don't doubt that Kiffin will be a good coach, if not already a very good recruiter. I just think it's WAY premature to lump him in with two coaches with championship pedigrees and plenty of recruiting momentum of their own.
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He doesn't have the resume of either coach. I still have very little doubt the future will be extremely good, and I'm not the slightest bit concerned. My only real concern with Kiffin is that he will leave for an NFL job or the USC job when it comes open.
 
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By 2011, UT will be much closer to the level of Bama and Florida than they will be to the levels of Auburn and Arkansas. I think Kiffin could have UT competing for national title by 2012. It wouldn't surprise me at all if UT won the SEC in 2011.
 
#63
#63
Envy is an ugly color green!

Get a life! Would ANYONE complain if Meyer was the coach at UT? NO!
 
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peaygolf89 said:
Envy is an ugly color green!

Get a life! Would ANYONE complain if Meyer was the coach at UT? NO!
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Considering there are people that are still complaining about Kiffin, UT fans I mean, then I would say yes, even if we had Meyer some would be complaining, about something.
 
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Peaygolf is a Fulmerite. They will be inherently unfair in the judgment of Kiffin.
 
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tvolsfan said:
What are you trying to prove by that? Stephens won't be here for more than one year.

He doesn't have the resume of either coach. I still have very little doubt the future will be extremely good, and I'm not the slightest bit concerned. My only real concern with Kiffin is that he will leave for an NFL job or the USC job when it comes open.
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You just helped prove my point regarding Stephens. I wouldn't pin UT's SEC title hopes for 2011 on a 1st year QB. Next year Stephens is a downgrade from Crompton. Hence my point that UT is at best 2, maybe 3 years away from competing with Bama and UF.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You just helped prove my point regarding Stephens. I wouldn't pin UT's SEC title hopes for 2011 on a 1st year QB. Next year Stephens is a downgrade from Crompton. Hence my point that UT is at best 2, maybe 3 years away from competing with Bama and UF.
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I do not believe that Stephens will be our starting QB next year.
 
#69
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VolDad said:
I do not believe that Stephens will be our starting QB next year.
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If you're on the Tyler Bray or Cam Newton bandwagon, then you only strengthen my point.

Whoever is under center next season for UT will be a downgrade from Crompton.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
If you're on the Tyler Bray or Cam Newton bandwagon, then you only strengthen my point.

Whoever is under center next season for UT will be a downgrade from Crompton.
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Having watched how wretched Crompton was last year and again the first part of this year; the fact you say this gives me faith in CLK's abilities to fill the position.
 
#71
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VolDad said:
Having watched how wretched Crompton was last year and again the first part of this year; the fact you say this gives me faith in CLK's abilities to fill the position.
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You guys will miss Crompton.

Those words alone should give you some faith that UT's coaching staff will develop a very good QB...eventually...
 
#72
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Lawrence Wright said:
You just helped prove my point regarding Stephens. I wouldn't pin UT's SEC title hopes for 2011 on a 1st year QB. Next year Stephens is a downgrade from Crompton. Hence my point that UT is at best 2, maybe 3 years away from competing with Bama and UF.
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Did McElroy start for Bama last year? Are they in the SEC title hunt?

Fail.
 
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