I have a question for some of the Political forum regulars....

#52
#52
Sabanocchio said:
Really?

The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.".

-George Washington

Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause.

-George Washington

"The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious.... One only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

Thomas Jefferson

"Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out: This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!"

John Adams


"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches"

Benjamin Franklin


"As to Jesus of Nazareth... I have found some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I think it needless to busy myself with now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble."

Benjamin Franklin


"The United States of America is in no sense founded on the Christian religion."

John Adams


"Question with boldness even the existence of a god."

Thomas Jefferson

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.... perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind... a mere contrivance for the clergy to filch wealth and power to themselves."

Thomas Jefferson


"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprises."

James Madison


"Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory in itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief... it produces only atheists and fanatics."

Thomas Paine


But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed.

-John Adams

I was born a heretic. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.

-Susan B. Anthony



Shall I go on? I could do this all day.
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Sure...... they were deist.....

:hi:
 
#54
#54
gsvol said:
That simply is untrue.

In a letter to a friend he explained that he definately believed in Jesus Christ.

Jefferson never once attempted to demean the Gospel or the doctrine of Jesus Christ although he did malign some Christian leaders and/or ministers for using Christ's doctrine for selfish purposes.
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yet he didn't believe JC was the son of god. Can you be a Christian and believe that?
 
#57
#57
Oh before someone tells me that they weren't deist.......... please don't throw out the Unitarianism stuff...... you know full well it is pretty much the same exact thing.
 
#59
#59
my understanding was he believed strongly in jesus teachings and thought they were the best teachings of any religious figure, but did not believe jesus was god. i'd agree that makes him non christian.
 
#71
#71
tigervol9802 said:
That is why I refer to him as agnostic....maybe deist is a better term. I've always viewed the two as the same in my mind.
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an agonistic doesn't know one way or another (that's what i consider myself). jefferson had a definite opinion.
 
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#74
droski said:
an agonistic doesn't know one way or another (that's what i consider myself). jefferson had a definite opinion.
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I think agnosticism is a transitional state. You'll fall on one side or the other if you really pushed the issue. But I think most agnostics are thus because they DON'T push it. At least, that is how it was for me.
 
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