I have a question for some of the Political forum regulars....

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I don't smoke, therefore, I don't have a stake in any discussions concerning smoking restrictions in public places.
 
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I don't have any kids, so I don't have a stake in what a public schools curriculum should be. I shouldn't discuss it. :ermm:
 
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I'm not unemployed, so I have no stake in how unemployment benefits are handed out. I shouldn't be involved in the conversation.
 
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gsvol said:
Nothing personal ip but sometimes your ignorance is almost overwhelming.

Christian groups persisting since the first century:

The Armenian Church, there is an Armenian quarter in Jersalem today as we speak.

The Coptics of Egypt have persisted since the first century.

The Ethiopian Church has persisted since the first century and claim to be in possession of the Jewish Ark of the Covenant.

Baptists have persisted since the first century by way of the Armenian Church.

The Assyrian Church has persisted since the first century, although they have probably experienced more oppression by the satanic muslims than any other branch of Christianity.

The Maronites of Lebanon date back to the first century.

Then there is the Eastern Orthodox Church which branched off from the Roman Catholic Church.

Then you have all the Protestant Churches which can date back to the first century, although they broke off from the Catholic Church, still they claim to believe in the original teachings of Jesus.

That isn't a complete list but still, your concept leaves much to be desired in the way of the big picture.
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You totally misunderstood: only one gnostic group.

But your arrogance is appreciated.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I see some of you that get into a discussion about faith/religion, and yet, you don't have a stake in either. How can you even argue for or against something you don't believe in yourself?? What does it matter to you, other to just have an opinion or try to question another's faith/religion??

I mean, the people in this forum that actually have a relationship with Jesus Christ have a stake in this. We are being told that we have to keep our mouths shut because we should be tolerant, but in all actuality, we are just being told that we aren't the current and latest religious fad and need to let others come before our wants and needs in the political world.

I'm going to tell you this much, if Islam has it's way over here in the West, this country is going to get torn down from the inside out. Christians, atheists, and agnostics alike are going to be put in a VERY bad place, IF our government continues to preach tolerance/freedom of religion in the case of Islam. I mean, if people can't see that the Taliban doesn't want our education, our medicine, our technology, and just wants to kill us, then this country is in for truly desperate times.

I have typically stayed out from the spotlight in this whole mess, but they are even trying to build one less than a mile from our church, so I figured it's time for me to speak out. These people, while most here claim to be peaceful and most are, come from a VERY violent background. Their Mideast counterparts live only to see us die and be killed in the name of Muhammad. I've NEVER, NOT ONCE, known anyone to actually kill in the name of Jesus Christ, and if anyone ever has, they weren't even Christian to begin with. Our Scripture is VERY forthright about violence, it DOES NOT condone it in any, way, shape, or form. Now, if you are in the military, you can be in the military and still be a Godly man or woman. Just don't go killing in the name of God or Jesus.

I really hope some of you understand what you are telling us Christians, because the past couple of days have really opened my eyes to what some of you believe and how quick you are to cast stones at us, because you think we aren't "tolerant". We have been the major faith based religion for the entire time that this country has been established. Many of our ancestors who built this country up from the ground level were Christians, but not all obviously. I just hope you know that our people have bled overseas to protect the rights of everyone over here, my wife included, and yet the government allows those same people we fight over there to claim peacefulness over here and still build their places of worship that promotes something completely different than what they are personally standing for over here.

I really hope that one of these days, our government stands up and actually protects the people from a theology as dangerous as Islam, but unfortunately our country is only a little over 200 years old, and will have MANY growing pains as it gets more mature.

God Bless. :hi:
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God bless unless you are muslim? What a crock your entire message is.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Heavily persecuted and wiped out are two different things. Again, there is not a 'group'. There were no consistencies in beliefs and they were scattered all over the known world of the time. Some of them morphed into 'groups' for benefit of having a united presence living together. But as I said, if there were gnostics living in areas such as modern India or even well into Asia, we're talking beyond the Roman world that you originally mentioned.

What group are you referring to that is the only one surviving since the first century?
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I feel like we are teetering on the edge of another semantics debate, this time on what is generally meant by "gnostic."

I was referring to the Mandaean sect of Iraq and Iran.
 
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Vols520 said:
And has the OP ever heard of the crusades?
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So, once again, we got 800 years back in history to try and claim Christianity as a violent religion, yet since then, they have mostly all been pacifists. Islam, however, is still as vile now as it was then. So, your attempt at a POOR history lesson fails. Come up with some Christians today, that number more than 50, that kills in the name of God.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
So, once again, we got 800 years back in history to try and claim Christianity as a violent religion, yet since then, they have mostly all been pacifists. Islam, however, is still as vile now as it was then. So, your attempt at a POOR history lesson fails. Come up with some Christians today, that number more than 50, that kills in the name of God.
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Yeah I tried to bring up the same thing to you and you said the same thing, we just need to omit that from history because it don't count. You actually contradict your self in your post "Mostly all been pacifists" I though you said all of them?

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know it's Wikipedia but several of those sites gsvol and others use are even less reliable and obviously skewed.
 
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hmmmmmmmmmmm they all are terrorist eh

2008 & 2009 Surveys and Polls

Most recent polls and surveys done in many of prominent Muslim countries show that the balance of forces in the world of Islam has shifted dramatically against al-Qaida's global jihad and its local manifestations. Here are seven examples:[177]

* Gallup conducted tens of thousands of hour-long, face-to-face interviews with residents of more than thirty-five predominantly Muslim countries between 2001 and 2007. It found that – contrary to the prevailing perception in the west that the actions of al-Qaida enjoy wide support in the Muslim world – more than 90% of respondents condemned the killing of non-combatants on religious and humanitarian grounds [177]

* The not-for-profit group Terror Free Tomorrow carried out a public-opinion survey seeking to establish why people support or oppose extremism; it found that fewer than 10% of Saudis had a favourable opinion of al-Qaida, and 88% approved of the Saudi authorities pursuing al-Qaida operatives [177]

* In Pakistan, despite the recent rise in the Taliban's influence, a poll conducted by Terror Free Tomorrow in Pakistan in January 2008 tested support for al-Qaida, the Taliban, other militant Islamist groups and Osama bin Laden himself, and found a recent drop by half. In August 2007, 33% of Pakistanis expressed support for al-Qaida; 38% supported the Taliban. By January 2008, al-Qaida's support had dropped to 18%, the Taliban's to 19%. When asked if they would vote for al-Qaida, just 1% of Pakistanis polled answered in the affirmative. The Taliban had the support of 3% of those polled [177]

* Pew Research surveys in 2008 show that in a range of countries – Jordan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Lebanon, and Bangladesh – there have been substantial declines in the percentages saying suicide-bombings and other forms of violence against civilian targets can be justified to defend Islam against its enemies. Wide majorities say such attacks are, at most, rarely acceptable [177]

* The shift has been especially dramatic in Jordan, where 29% of Jordanians are recorded as viewing suicide-attacks as often or sometimes justified (down from 57% in May 2005). In the largest majority-Muslim nation, Indonesia, 74% of respondents agree that terrorist attacks are "never justified" (a substantial decline from the 41% level to which support had risen in March 2004); in Pakistan, that figure is 86%; in Bangladesh, 81%; and in Iran, 80% [177]

* A poll conducted in Osama bin Laden's home country of Saudi Arabia in December 2008 shows that his compatriots have dramatically turned against him, his organisation, Saudi volunteers in Iraq, and terrorism in general. Indeed, confidence in bin Laden has fallen in most Muslim countries in recent years [177]

* In Iraq, people of all persuasions unanimously reject the terror tactics against Iraqi civilians of "al-Qaida in Mesopotamia". An ABC News/BBC/NHK poll revealed that all of those surveyed – Sunni and Shi'a alike – found al-Qaida attacks on Iraqi civilians "unacceptable"; 98% rejected the militants' attempts to gain control over areas in which they operated; and 97% opposed their attempts to recruit foreign fighters and bring them to Iraq [177]



oh wait the media is controlled by the terrorist to.......nevermind
 
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It's a losing argument saying Christianity and Islam are equal when it comes to terrorism and killing in the name of God. It just isn't true.

That said, Christianity certainly isn't innocent and saying what happened 800 years ago doesn't count is absurd. At the very least, it shows Christianity, just like anything else, can be perverted. And the "they weren't true Christians" or "man was perverting the true message" is even more silly considering such intelligent thinkers like St. Thomas Aquina and St. Augustine (who did in fact achieve sainthood) complicitely endorsed the inquisition and anti-semitism. It's safe to assume these guys were very aware of the Sermon on the Mount, yet still found all the justification they needed.

Every one of these beliefs systems is guilty to some degree. Body count and history is irrelevant to the larger issue.
 
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rjd970 said:
It's a losing argument saying Christianity and Islam are equal when it comes to terrorism and killing in the name of God. It just isn't true.

That said, Christianity certainly isn't innocent and saying what happened 800 years ago doesn't count is absurd. At the very least, it shows Christianity, just like anything else, can be perverted. And the "they weren't true Christians" or "man was perverting the true message" is even more silly considering such intelligent thinkers like St. Thomas Aquina and St. Augustine (who did in fact achieve sainthood) complicitely endorsed the inquisition and anti-semitism. It's safe to assume these guys were very aware of the Sermon on the Mount, yet still found all the justification they needed.

Every one of these beliefs systems is guilty to some degree. Body count and history is irrelevant to the larger issue.
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Yes......exactly.:eek:k:
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
So, once again, we got 800 years back in history to try and claim Christianity as a violent religion, yet since then, they have mostly all been pacifists. Islam, however, is still as vile now as it was then. So, your attempt at a POOR history lesson fails. Come up with some Christians today, that number more than 50, that kills in the name of God.
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Yeah, I linked anti-abortion terrorist groups earlier.

Your self-righteous ignorance is amusing.
 
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