I have a question for some of the Political forum regulars....

[DinkinFlicka]

But to compare the footprints of a mouse to the rusults of an elephant herd stampede through your corn patch is about as ludicrous a comparison as one can make.

Such is your absurdity of your statement.

Statistics, smatistics, why don't you just spit out what you are trying to say??






You want elaboration??

I rarely attend any church.

There is absolutely nothing halfhearted about anything I have to say.






Maybe you should do some comparisons, for your own good.

Give me a comparisons of known violent Christian subgroups, vis a vis violent known muslim subgroups.

You might just get an epiphany of some sort.






There have been 1,400 years of muslim violence, the only times it has abated has been when it has been met with equal or more violence, there is no denying that fact.

The Christian inquisition had to do with the then recent eviction of muslims from the Iberian penensula and the muslim practice of taqiyya, or lying to deceive the infidel, it is permitted for a muslim to profess to be a Christian if he indeed is practicing jihad for islam, as out current teleprompter in chief is doing.

BTW, the muslims still call the Iberian penensula, 'al Andalusa' and opperate under the islamic pretext of 'once conquered, always conquered,' and consider Spain and Portugal to be part of the world of al islam.

Once again, read posts # 276 and 278.




Anyone can write anything on wiccanpedia, for instance the publisher of the Nashville Tennessean had a profile up for several months that claimed he was compicit in the JFK assassination.

As much as I dislike Siegenthaler, that was ludicrous.

YOUR COMPARISON OF ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY IS JUST TOO STUPID FOR WORDS!!!

Let's start with a comparison between Jesus and muhammed.

Jesus was a very literate educated man.

muhammed was an illiterate who couldn't even sign his own name.

Jesus taught spiritual principles with enternal significance.

muhammed taught immediate gratification through murder, robbery, rape and intimidation.

That list can go on for quite a while, Christianity and islam have nothing in common.

For the millionth time, Nutty McNutjob, I never compared the two. Yes, it's obvious which religion has shown more violence, but to say Christianity's sh*t doesn't stink is as ludicrous as it gets. I suppose this is you REALLY wanting to believe that I think they are equal in that respect. Does this mean I've stumped you?

That portrait makes NO sense in response to what I said. Religion is one of the most prominent factors we encounter in American day-to-day society. To say otherwise is moronic. You're becoming increasingly erratic.

I'll stop posting statistics, and you stop taking 20-30 minutes to fill up your posts with low-rent, silly-ass pictures. I was trying to convey that my opinion COULDN'T be like most of young America's, because my belief system is only in line with around 7.5% of Americans. I'm starting to see a pattern here. You're proved wrong, you go off on random, incoherent tangents that make ZERO sense.

That elaboration had nothing to do with what I asked you to elaborate on. Go back, read your original post, and elaborate on that please. Stop equivocating my inquiries.

I'm not doing comparisons because, as I've stated, that would be lopsided. I'll put this in caps so your brain can comprehend it a little bit easier:

CHRISTIANITY =/= ISLAM... I was refuting gatorhatereric's silly notion that Christianity is all about peace and love. It's not. There are terrorist groups, hate groups, and intolerant denominations... just like any other world religion. *.*.*.*.*.* <-----PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE LAST SIX WORDS!

Christian inquisition was a political move by the pope to exercise his power. Your reasons were marginal at best.

I'm perfectly aware of how information is posted on Wikipedia (you avoided my inquiry about why Wiccans and Wikipedia are linked... if they aren't, the joke's not really funny... then again, you're not very funny at all). You're just attacking the source because the information refutes what you're saying. Google those groups and find credible sources... they'll say the exact same thing.

You know none of these things about either of those two men. If Muhammad was so stupid, then how is his religion bigger than that of Jesus'? Are YOU calling most of the world stupid now? (in before you respond with 'No, just you.')

I'll be back to elaborate more... but I'm sure you'll respond with inane babble designed to make my posts look as though they're saying something else.

 

[Vols520]

So, once again, we got 800 years back in history to try and claim Christianity as a violent religion, yet since then, they have mostly all been pacifists. Islam, however, is still as vile now as it was then. So, your attempt at a POOR history lesson fails. Come up with some Christians today, that number more than 50, that kills in the name of God.

I'm only trying to prove your are inept.
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[Vols520]

So, once again, we got 800 years back in history to try and claim Christianity as a violent religion, yet since then, they have mostly all been pacifists. Islam, however, is still as vile now as it was then. So, your attempt at a POOR history lesson fails. Come up with some Christians today, that number more than 50, that kills in the name of God.

How is it a poor history lesson? Because it proves you to be a backwoods fool?

I have no issue w religion, but spare everybody w the holier than though act.

Each religion has there nutjobs.
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[CSpindizzy]

Yeah, I linked anti-abortion terrorist groups earlier.

Your self-righteous ignorance is amusing.

Yes. I see widespread anti-abortion groups blowing up buses, marketplaces, planes, and working to acquire WMD's all the time.

 

[golfballs]

Oh please. You have to admit, there is absolutely no equivalence.

Please give me the names of the worst Christian nutjobs you know of

 

[CSpindizzy]

I'm still waiting for quotes of where Jesus commanded his followers to kill in the name of their faith. We've already been down the road of Islam. Forget misguided nutjobs throughout history. Go TO THE SOURCE. Compare the two.

 

[Vols520]

Oh please. You have to admit, there is absolutely no equivalence.

Please give me the names of the worst Christian nutjobs you know of

I never said they were equal, and I am catholic. The op was just so ridiculous.
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[golfballs]

these moral equivalencies are just outrageous!

 

[golfballs]

I never said they were equal, and I am catholic. The op was just so ridiculous.
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So what's your point?

 

[BigPapaVol]

Yes. I see widespread anti-abortion groups blowing up buses, marketplaces, planes, and working to acquire WMD's all the time.

from reading this thread, I don't get the impression that anyone is equating the two. Just making the point that organization religion of any ilk is easily bastardized into mind control and shenanigans.

 

[Vols520]

So what's your point?

The op is an idiot.
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[Vols520]

from reading this thread, I don't get the impression that anyone is equating the two. Just making the point that organization religion of any ilk is easily bastardized into mind control and shenanigans.

I think anybody w a third grade reading comprehension should have understood that.

Its convenient the op forgot about possibly the biggest holy war in history.
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[golfballs]

Did the OP deny that there were fanatics in both religions? I think his point is that radical islam doesn't even compare.

 

[CSpindizzy]

from reading this thread, I don't get the impression that anyone is equating the two. Just making the point that organization religion of any ilk is easily bastardized into mind control and shenanigans.

Just commenting on the 'christian terrorist' part. Every ideology whether secular or religious in nature has a radical fringe.

 

[CSpindizzy]

I think anybody w a third grade reading comprehension should have understood that.

Its convenient the op forgot about possibly the biggest holy war in history.
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You do know how that started right? Do you know the situation leading up to the Crusades?

 

[IPorange]

Did the OP deny that there were fanatics in both religions? I think his point is that radical islam doesn't even compare.

His point seemed to be that muslims of any sort should not be tolerated. Let me know if you think I misunderstood him.

 

[droski]

So, once again, we got 800 years back in history to try and claim Christianity as a violent religion, yet since then, they have mostly all been pacifists. Islam, however, is still as vile now as it was then. So, your attempt at a POOR history lesson fails. Come up with some Christians today, that number more than 50, that kills in the name of God.

the problem eric is you look at the violence and because you too are a religious wackjob who clearly can't handle that others have different views you equate the violence with the religion you don't like and understand. if christianity was the primary religion in the middle east we'd still be seeing hte same violence. it's a cultural, poverty, and education issue, not a religious one. just like the crusades and inquisition were the same. would you kill someone if your religious leader told you to? are you that much of a lemming? why do you think muslims are any different? it's not a coincidence that the most progressive and most highly educated muslim countries don't produce terorrists (or at least not at much higher rates than the US).

 

[CSpindizzy]

Are you saying "only in the Third World"? Because I see quite a few Third World areas where Christianity is prevalent and not seeing the same response. I look at Darfur - pretty close to equal footing. The passive teachings of Christ just are no match for the aggressive teachings of Muhammed.

 

[droski]

Are you saying "only in the Third World"? Because I see quite a few Third World areas where Christianity is prevalent and not seeing the same response. I look at Darfur - pretty close to equal footing. The passive teachings of Christ just are no match for the aggressive teachings of Muhammed.

you haven't seen atrocities in darfur? i'll ask it again. if you were told to kill someone by your religious leaders and jesus agreed (for the sake of argument) would you do it?

 

[CSpindizzy]

you haven't seen atrocities in darfur? i'll ask it again. if you were told to kill someone by your religious leaders and jesus agreed (for the sake of argument) would you do it?

Ummm. Yeah. I've seen them. Firsthand. That was my point. But "for the sake of the argument" doesn't work. You are saying it is a cultural, poverty, etc. issue. And as I said, Darfur gives a good example of the people there being pretty close to equal on education, poverty, economics, etc. The violence stems from the source of the teachings. The leaders of the Muslims can source their actions with the Quran. Christians don't have a source advocating killing in any regard.

 

[droski]

Ummm. Yeah. I've seen them. Firsthand. That was my point. But "for the sake of the argument" doesn't work. You are saying it is a cultural, poverty, etc. issue. And as I said, Darfur gives a good example of the people there being pretty close to equal on education, poverty, economics, etc. The violence stems from the source of the teachings. The leaders of the Muslims can source their actions with the Quran. Christians don't have a source advocating killing in any regard.

you really believe that christians couldn't find a source advocating killing and having found a source in the past? you realize following just christ's word and not using hte old testament is a new thing for christianity right?

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

the problem eric is you look at the violence and because you too are a religious wackjob who clearly can't handle that others have different views you equate the violence with the religion you don't like and understand. if christianity was the primary religion in the middle east we'd still be seeing hte same violence. it's a cultural, poverty, and education issue, not a religious one. just like the crusades and inquisition were the same. would you kill someone if your religious leader told you to? are you that much of a lemming? why do you think muslims are any different? it's not a coincidence that the most progressive and most highly educated muslim countries don't produce terorrists (or at least not at much higher rates than the US).

you haven't seen atrocities in darfur? i'll ask it again. if you were told to kill someone by your religious leaders and jesus agreed (for the sake of argument) would you do it?

I have to disagree with you here Droski. Christianity teaches forgiveness and love... including that of your enemies... but certainly not violence. This is very different than the muslim religion. Not saying there still may not be wack jobs around, but true Chrisitianity would be completely against the acts that occur in these regions.

 

[utvolpj]

I have to disagree with you here Droski. Christianity teaches forgiveness and love... including that of your enemies... but certainly not violence. This is very different than the muslim religion. Not saying there still may not be wack jobs around, but true Chrisitianity would be completely against the acts that occur in these regions.

doesn't it also teach that you will be condemned to roast in hell for all eternity if you don't accept Jesus?

 

[droski]

I have to disagree with you here Droski. Christianity teaches forgiveness and love... including that of your enemies... but certainly not violence. This is very different than the muslim religion. Not saying there still may not be wack jobs around, but true Chrisitianity would be completely against the acts that occur in these regions.

who are you to say what true christianity is and what true islam is?

 

[droski]

doesn't it also teach that you will be condemned to roast in hell for all eternity if you don't accept Jesus?

but that's with love. you just don't get it.