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#51
#51
KB5252 said:
What horrible and twisted acts are Christians guilty of here? What religious views have been altered for self serving reasons? There is a big difference between Christianity and Islam. We would like them to convert. they DEMAND we convert or die!!!!!! Isn't that fairly clear?
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bombing abortion clinics and Westboro come to mind
 
#52
#52
Seriously SWIL, surely you see a difference in Radical Christians and Radical Islam, right?

I mean Radical Christians have stood out in public with these horrifying pictures of aborted babies in efforts of discouraging abortion. I am not a fan nor do I agree with this extreme behavior, but the intent is to save lives.

Radical Muslims kill without question or reason. They hate America and will continue to terrorize.
 
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KB5252 said:
We are talking about here and now. If we were living during the crusades you would be right without a doubt.
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you earnestly believe the Muslims are living in the here and now? assuming they've forgotten the crusades is absurd. Moreover, assuming they've forgotten the whole promised land thingy is plain dangerous.

they live in caves for goodness sake. they haven't had any global power for centuries. I'm willing to bet that they harken back to the good ole days quite a bit.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you earnestly believe the Muslims are living in the here and now? assuming they've forgotten the crusades is absurd. Moreover, assuming they've forgotten the whole promised land thingy is plain dangerous.

they live in caves for goodness sake. they haven't had any global power for centuries. I'm willing to bet that they harken back to the good ole days quite a bit.
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I argued that we were talking about here and now. The fact that you use the argument that they are living in the past only proves my earlier statements and that there is a difference between us and muslims. We are not beheading as if this was one or two thousand years ago.
 
#56
#56
We could go back thousands of years and get nowhere. What is your point. I liked the discussion guys but I have to go home. Good day to all.
 
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KB5252 said:
Swil there is a huge difference between Christian radicals and Muslim radicals. Christian radicals do not behead, set fire to, or mutilate those they disagree with. (at least here in America) Second the number of muslims who follow radical clerics has been on the increase for some thirty years now. Depending on what country you live in as many as half if not more follow this extreme brand of Islam.
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Were you asleep during the Clinton Administration? When Christian radicals felt desperate concerning the abortion issue, they most definitely bombed abortion clinics and killed those that performed abortions.
 
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#59
Listen up folks! Yes, I hear what y'all are saying about the abortion cinics and yes, I do see that we have had a few circumstances in this country when the bad guy was a radical Christian.
But here is the difference, we will kill and or punish our own kind if they go too far and start killing the innocent or playing God with American lives. If you are a Radical Muslim and you kill a bunch of people your insane country considers you a hero.
That my friends is a huge difference.
 
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#62
The radical Muslims feel desperately powerless in getting what they want through non-violent means. I guarantee you that the moment the radical Christians in this country feel that the legislative system is no longer working in an effort to attain their more stringent beliefs, then they too resort to violence and aggression (case in point: stark increase in violent attacks carried out against abortion clinics during the Clinton years.)
 
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#63
I'm going to venture out on a limb and say as far as sheer numbers go there are slightly (note the sarcasm) "whacked out Muslims" than there are Christians. Christianity hasn't decalred war on anyone of late... I'm really tired of people trying to connect the two. Yes, abortion clinics have been bombed, and that is terrible as well as some other atroctities. Most churches are not preaching for death to non-believers, and last time I checked Christians are not the reason for the long lines in the airports. If you're not a Christian or don't believe in it, hey that's you, but don't act like Christianity is just as dangerous as Islam. That's a Rosie O'Donell line of thinking... once again I think it's easy to take shots at Christianity, no one will lable you a racist, bigot etc. for soing so.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I'm going to venture out on a limb and say as far as sheer numbers go there are slightly (note the sarcasm) "whacked out Muslims" than there are Christians. Christianity hasn't decalred war on anyone of late... I'm really tired of people trying to connect the two. Yes, abortion clinics have been bombed, and that is terrible as well as some other atroctities. Most churches are not preaching for death to non-believers, and last time I checked Christians are not the reason for the long lines in the airports. If you're not a Christian or don't believe in it, hey that's you, but don't act like Christianity is just as dangerous as Islam. That's a Rosie O'Donell line of thinking... once again I think it's easy to take shots at Christianity, no one will lable you a racist, bigot etc. for soing so.
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you are throwing out some HUGE assumptions without any real facts. Some even believe the fundies are more dangerous to this country than the Muslims.
 
#65
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volsforever27 said:
I'm going to venture out on a limb and say as far as sheer numbers go there are slightly (note the sarcasm) "whacked out Muslims" than there are Christians. Christianity hasn't decalred war on anyone of late... I'm really tired of people trying to connect the two. Yes, abortion clinics have been bombed, and that is terrible as well as some other atroctities. Most churches are not preaching for death to non-believers, and last time I checked Christians are not the reason for the long lines in the airports. If you're not a Christian or don't believe in it, hey that's you, but don't act like Christianity is just as dangerous as Islam. That's a Rosie O'Donell line of thinking... once again I think it's easy to take shots at Christianity, no one will lable you a racist, bigot etc. for soing so.
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First, you can be a Christian and make the statements I have made concerning Christian radicals. Just as one can be a Muslim and not a radical Muslim. Second, Islamic terrorism did not begin with suicide bombs and airplanes. It started small, against targets that most Muslims felt were appalling. The movement then grew to what it is today.

To state that one cannot find parallels shows a complete lack of historical perspective concerning North Africa and the Middle East over the past 100 years.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I'm going to venture out on a limb and say as far as sheer numbers go there are slightly (note the sarcasm) "whacked out Muslims" than there are Christians. Christianity hasn't decalred war on anyone of late... I'm really tired of people trying to connect the two. Yes, abortion clinics have been bombed, and that is terrible as well as some other atroctities. Most churches are not preaching for death to non-believers, and last time I checked Christians are not the reason for the long lines in the airports. If you're not a Christian or don't believe in it, hey that's you, but don't act like Christianity is just as dangerous as Islam. That's a Rosie O'Donell line of thinking... once again I think it's easy to take shots at Christianity, no one will lable you a racist, bigot etc. for soing so.
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that's some serious assumptions and some serious bias. You really need to study more.
 
#67
#67
1) Do you feel radicals make up a larger percentage of the followers of Islam as compared to the percentage of radical followers of Christianity?

2) Do you think moderate Muslims are more accepting of the behavior of their radical brothers compared to how moderate Chrisitians feel about the behavior of radical Christians?
 
#68
#68
therealUT said:
The radical Muslims feel desperately powerless in getting what they want through non-violent means. I guarantee you that the moment the radical Christians in this country feel that the legislative system is no longer working in an effort to attain their more stringent beliefs, then they too resort to violence and aggression (case in point: stark increase in violent attacks carried out against abortion clinics during the Clinton years.)
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Yes, but again, we kill and or harshly punish those that act out in such a manner. Surely you see a difference.
 
#69
#69
Discussing religion in a politics forum. Isn't that a recipe for nuclear detonation?
 
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Volnissniss said:
Yes, but again, we kill and or harshly punish those that act out in such a manner. Surely you see a difference.
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You surely see the difference between what could one day be considered as the beginning of a radical Christian terrorist movement and a movement that is now 100 years old, right?
 
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allvol123 said:
1) Do you feel radicals make up a larger percentage of the followers of Islam as compared to the percentage of radical followers of Christianity?

2) Do you think moderate Muslims are more accepting of the behavior of their radical brothers compared to how moderate Chrisitians feel about the behavior of radical Christians?
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1) I am CERTAIN there is a larger percentage of radical Islam then radical Christians. But the point remains, we deal rather harshly with our radical Christians that start taking lives, we don't label them heros.

2) Moderates are USELESS! Totally and completely useless. They are of zero help in trying to locate these cells and groups in this country b/c they know their people are freaking nuts and will bomb them too. Plus, who knows if you can trust these "Moderates" they all get their anti Christian preachings and upbringings.
 
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utvolpj said:
you are throwing out some HUGE assumptions without any real facts. Some even believe the fundies are more dangerous to this country than the Muslims.
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There is such a thing as common sense... let's take a look at the number of terrorist acts around the world the last few years. I'll even let you decide what constitutes a "terrorist attack". Prove to me where extreme Christians have caused more loss of life than someone on a fatwa. I'm not talking hundreds of years ago, I'm talking in a modern context.

I'd also like to point out that I'm in no way taking up for those idiots that do these things in God's name. Those morons that protest the soldier's funerals are not doing so because they are true Christians. If you truly believe that the "fundies" as you call them are more dangerous thatn Islamic terrorists, you're more than entitled to that opinion, but to me that's so far off in left field there's really no sense in arguing.
 
#73
#73
allvol123 said:
1) Do you feel radicals make up a larger percentage of the followers of Islam as compared to the percentage of radical followers of Christianity?

2) Do you think moderate Muslims are more accepting of the behavior of their radical brothers compared to how moderate Chrisitians feel about the behavior of radical Christians?
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1) The feelings are definitely there for a lot more Christians than the ones that have so far acted. Those of you who state otherwise are simply in denial. So, if that movement ever gains momentum, then more followers show up.

2)No. I think they are definitely more terrified of voicing their disagreement though.
 
#74
#74
therealUT said:
You surely see the difference between what could one day be considered as the beginning of a radical Christian terrorist movement and a movement that is now 100 years old, right?
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What radical Christian terrorist movement?
 
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