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#76
#76
therealUT said:
1) The feelings are definitely there for a lot more Christians than the ones that have so far acted. Those of you who state otherwise are simply in denial. So, if that movement ever gains momentum, then more followers show up.

2)No. I think they are definitely more terrified of voicing their disagreement though.
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I don't know about denial. The only Christians that I really even know on a small basis would be the ones I attend Sunday school with every week. As for these 12 or so people, I would have to completely disagree with you.
 
#77
#77
therealUT said:
First, you can be a Christian and make the statements I have made concerning Christian radicals. Just as one can be a Muslim and not a radical Muslim. Second, Islamic terrorism did not begin with suicide bombs and airplanes. It started small, against targets that most Muslims felt were appalling. The movement then grew to what it is today.

To state that one cannot find parallels shows a complete lack of historical perspective concerning North Africa and the Middle East over the past 100 years.
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Please read the book "Tea with Terrorists"(I can't remember the author's name, but I'll look for it if I need to). Also, anyone that has read the Koran (and I can't believe I'm having this discussion again) should realize what Islam teaches. Read the actual history of Mohammed before you act like I'm totally clueless about the history of a region. No one is saying that people of all religions haven't raged war in God's name, but saying Christianity is comparable is your opinion, not a fact.
 
#78
#78
Volnissniss said:
1) I am CERTAIN there is a larger percentage of radical Islam then radical Christians. But the point remains, we deal rather harshly with our radical Christians that start taking lives, we don't label them heros.

2) Moderates are USELESS! Totally and completely useless. They are of zero help in trying to locate these cells and groups in this country b/c they know their people are freaking nuts and will bomb them too. Plus, who knows if you can trust these "Moderates" they all get their anti Christian preachings and upbringings.
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Provide facts with numbers please. The fact that a few sects pull of greater feats of terrorism do not prove anything numbers wise. I can't argue as to the accomplishments of radical muslims vs radical christians, but I have to wonder do you consider Pat Robertson a good wholesome Christian? I personally consider many of messages very radical.
 
#79
#79
volfanbill said:
that's some serious assumptions and some serious bias. You really need to study more.
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No, the bias is comapring the two. Obviously, you're too skewered Christianity to have an objective opinion. Don't try to put me down for taking up for my religion.
 
#80
#80
therealUT said:
If Obama or Clinton are elected and seat Justices, watch the abortion clinic bombings resume.
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Yes, but if those bombings resume, we will be there to detain and punish. We as a country take care of those problems and recognize the radical, extreme behavior. We do not condone radical activity.

Muslims are encouraged to act like they do. And if they suceed in whatever twisted plan they have made and kill a bunch of Americans then they are greatly rewarded with 100 virgins in paradise. It's insane. They are like wild animals, totally uncivilized.
 
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#81
volsforever27 said:
No, the bias is comapring the two. Obviously, you're too skewered Christianity to have an objective opinion. Don't try to put me down for taking up for my religion.
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i'm having a hard time figuring out too skewered Christianity to be completey honest, but if you're saying I have something against Christianity you are completely wrong.
 
#82
#82
volsforever27 said:
Please read the book "Tea with Terrorists"(I can't remember the author's name, but I'll look for it if I need to). Also, anyone that has read the Koran (and I can't believe I'm having this discussion again) should realize what Islam teaches. Read the actual history of Mohammed before you act like I'm totally clueless about the history of a region. No one is saying that people of all religions haven't raged war in God's name, but saying Christianity is comparable is your opinion, not a fact.
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quit taking parts of the the Koran and making it gospel. You are doing exactly what radical Christians do and what radical Muslims do. Read the book as a whole.
 
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#83
volfanbill said:
i'm having a hard time figuring out too skewered Christianity to be completey honest, but if you're saying I have something against Christianity you are completely wrong.
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What other way am I supposed to take that... listen people, I'm not asking anyone to believe what I do. I'm just not going to let comments like Christians are more dangerous than Muslims slide, that's my only point.
 
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#84
volfanbill said:
quit taking parts of the the Koran and making it gospel. You are doing exactly what radical Christians do and what radical Muslims do. Read the book as a whole.
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This is pointless, prove to me where I'm wrong, otherwise quit making baseless accusations. We are at war with an ideology... to deny that is pathetic.
 
#86
#86
volsforever27 said:
Please read the book "Tea with Terrorists"(I can't remember the author's name, but I'll look for it if I need to). Also, anyone that has read the Koran (and I can't believe I'm having this discussion again) should realize what Islam teaches. Read the actual history of Mohammed before you act like I'm totally clueless about the history of a region. No one is saying that people of all religions haven't raged war in God's name, but saying Christianity is comparable is your opinion, not a fact.
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I have read the Koran. Have you ever read Deuteronomy?

volsforever27 said:
No, the bias is comapring the two. Obviously, you're too skewered Christianity to have an objective opinion. Don't try to put me down for taking up for my religion.
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There is a difference between radical Christians and Christians. As such, there is a difference between radical Muslims and Muslims, and the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. If you are are a radical Christian, then, yes, I am putting you down.
 
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#87
You are the one making assumptions on Muslims because of a few of their radicals. To deny that Christianity faces the exact same problem is lunacy. Look at Pat Robertson. He is a complete nutjob, yet claims to be a Christian. If more people start following some of this ideas and thoughts, whacked out Christians would leave radical Muslims in the dust.
 
#88
#88
volsforever27 said:
I'd also like to point out that I'm in no way taking up for those idiots that do these things in God's name. Those morons that protest the soldier's funerals are not doing so because they are true Christians.
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but the extremists are real Muslims right? Give me a break. That is a very bigoted view of a group of people that is unfortunately all too common.

volsforever27 said:
If you truly believe that the "fundies" as you call them are more dangerous thatn Islamic terrorists, you're more than entitled to that opinion, but to me that's so far off in left field there's really no sense in arguing.
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their goals will cause more problems for the US than anything 1 terrorist attack could do.
 
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#91
volfanbill said:
Provide facts with numbers please. The fact that a few sects pull of greater feats of terrorism do not prove anything numbers wise. I can't argue as to the accomplishments of radical muslims vs radical christians, but I have to wonder do you consider Pat Robertson a good wholesome Christian? I personally consider many of messages very radical.
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Ok, so his messages can sometimes be radical but is anyone dying from his messages? I believe there might even be some people that would say he saved them from dying. A radical message is one thing a radical act can kill innocent people.
 
#92
#92
utvolpj said:
but the extremists are real Muslims right? Give me a break. That is a very bigoted view of a group of people that is unfortunately all too common.



their goals will cause more problems for the US than anything 1 terrorist attack could do.
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Calling me a bigot doesn't prove anything but show the fact that you lump all Christianity in one category, than put me down saying I'm doing that to followers of Islam.

Your view of Christanity is mroe bigoted than anything I have posted.
 
#93
#93
volsforever27 said:
My point is you can't say Christianity is just as bad. Some people who claim to be, yes they're idiotic, but not the whole religion.
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If you have studied the history of the region, then, yes, you can say that radical Christianity, if left unchecked and subjected to a communal feeling of desperation, are just as dangerous.
 
#94
#94
volfanbill said:
You are the one making assumptions on Muslims because of a few of their radicals. To deny that Christianity faces the exact same problem is lunacy. Look at Pat Robertson. He is a complete nutjob, yet claims to be a Christian. If more people start following some of this ideas and thoughts, whacked out Christians would leave radical Muslims in the dust.
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Well I don't really get this one. Exactly how would radical Christians leave radical Muslims in the dust. I think radicalism is dangerous no matter who the participant is.
 
#95
#95
Volnissniss said:
Ok, so his messages can sometimes be radical but is anyone dying from his messages? I believe there might even be some people that would say he saved them from dying. A radical message is one thing a radical act can kill innocent people.
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no one followed out his plan to assassinate Chavez, so I'll go with "not yet".
 
#96
#96
therealUT said:
If you have studied the history of the region, then, yes, you can say that radical Christianity, if left unchecked and subjected to a communal feeling of desperation, are just as dangerous.
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I'm discussing sheer numbers... I will say I would have hated to be alive when the Catholic church had peaked in its power.
 
#97
#97
volfanbill said:
Provide facts with numbers please. The fact that a few sects pull of greater feats of terrorism do not prove anything numbers wise. I can't argue as to the accomplishments of radical muslims vs radical christians, but I have to wonder do you consider Pat Robertson a good wholesome Christian? I personally consider many of messages very radical.
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I really hope that you're not comapring Pat Robertson to Osama.
 
#98
#98
volsforever27 said:
Calling me a bigot doesn't prove anything but show the fact that you lump all Christianity in one category, than put me down saying I'm doing that to followers of Islam.

Your view of Christanity is mroe bigoted than anything I have posted.
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I am doing nothing of the sort. I'm just trying to point out that you could say the same for both sides.

I have nothing against Christianity. I have a problem when it tries to push itself into law and interfere with the freedoms we have in this country. If you want to get involved in the process then drop the tax-exempt status and make it official.
 
#99
#99
by the way 27, before you continue stereotyping me, let me fill you in on some info.

I attended a Christian college where I received a minor in Bible, I have been very active in Baptist and Methodist churches most of my life (and still am) and I have fought over whether or not I should attend seminary for about 6 years. I have read the Bible through and through and I have read much of the Koran. I was also very honored to be invited to attend a Muslim service and have never been treated so generously or kindly in all my years of attending church services than I was that day.

I have nothing against Christianity. While I don't agree with all the views of the traditional Muslim faith, I have serious problems with people like you who are willing to separate radical Christians from true Christians yet can't separate radical Muslims from true Muslims.
 
#100
#100
volsforever27 said:
I'm discussing sheer numbers... I will say I would have hated to be alive when the Catholic church had peaked in its power.
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Funny. Most of the acts that people hold a grudge against the Catholic Church for occurred right around the Reformation, aka the least powerful moment in the history of the Catholic Church. Personally, I would have hated to live (or, more than likely, be killed) during the Reformation. German princes (Lutherans), Calvinists, and the Church of England have eerily familiar tales of the times...

So, you should really actually read a historical book before trying to make a historical quip...
 
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