I want to hear a valid argument

#51
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Mtntrout said:
Florida has a tougher schedule because:

1. We are on it.


2. FSU
3. BAMA and LSU vs our BAMA and Mississippi


I spelled out Mississippi because I like to put my education to use now and then.
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There are 2 teams in Mississippi, if you're going through that kind of trouble might as well go all out now and then.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Ole Miss is bringing back EVERYONE and they are year 2 into their stellar recruiting class. Meanwhile, LSU is going to have a Georgia/SC/Bama style drop off at QB and they've lost their 2nd round draft pick RB Jeremy Hill.

I'm open to discussion, but why exactly will LSU be so good this year?
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Ole Miss should be a pretty good team this year but not better than LSU IMO. You mentioned the Ole Miss stellar class.... that's all they've had the last 3 years, one stellar class. According to 247, the year they had that stellar class, they finished #4 in the country with a combined 10 four and five star players..... LSU finished a very close #5 with a combined 15 four and five star players.

Over the last 3 years, Ole Miss's class ranks are #44, #4 and #10.... LSU's were #3, #5 and #10....LSU is a more talented team, a much better program and has a much better head coach and coaching staff.

Ole Miss does return Wallace at QB while LSU will start a new QB. While the advantage goes to Wallace, he's not exactly a model of consistency. He could win it for them or throw 3 picks and single-handedly lose it.

LSU's defense will be stout as hell again and better than Ole Miss'. Also, you mentioned LSU losing Hill at RB.... they replace him with the top freshman RB in the country, Leonard Fournette and a handful of other talented RBs. LSU gets Ole Miss at home this year so they'll beat them head to head.

During Ole Miss' great Hugh Freeze resurgence the last 2 years they've lost 11 games.... LSU, the last 4 seasons is 44-9. I'll believe Ole Miss is a better team than LSU this year when I see it and I don't think I will.
 
#54
#54
jkleno said:
And A-state and Chat are quality OOC? C'mon man.
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I agree and liked your comment-people tend to overlook our schedule's weak spots while seizing on everybody else.

I will say this though-Arkansas State isn't really your typical "throw away" type OOC game. They won a bowl game last year against a pretty decent Ball State team. I wouldn't be shocked to see them keep the game at Neyland close for awhile.
 
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ultimateUT said:
I agree that we have a tougher schedule than florida but were splitting hairs...the only reason i think its harder is the USU vs Idaho and the Ark St vs whoever the other team was. You see those 2 teams they have are absolute fluff where ours are good to really good teams from lesser conferences...but the Ole Miss vs LSU argument and OU vs FSU argument seem to be a wash to me
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Pretty much this.
 
#59
#59
Mtntrout said:
Florida has a tougher schedule because:

1. We are on it.


2. FSU
3. BAMA and LSU vs our BAMA and Mississippi


I spelled out Mississippi because I like to put my education to use now and then.
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:clapping: crooked letter crooked letter I
 
#61
#61
KBVol said:
I think both Florida and Auburn have more difficult schedules than we do.
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I disagree, even our cupcake Chattanooga won like 10 games last year.

Ark schedule is close but I don't think N. Ill will be as good as last year. But then again I expect the coaching carosel to catch up with Ark St this year as well.

I suppose another way of looking at it is the loser of the TN-FL game will have the toughest schedule. Hopefully it will be FL!
 
#62
#62
chatt-townVOL said:
I agree, but what does that have to do with my question?
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It allows Beattie a justification in his mind for excusing poor performance.


To answer your question, pre-season ratings and rankings aren't worth much. As someone else rightly said here the other day, these "experts" invariably go off last year or the last couple. That' works a somewhat since most teams don't drop off that sharply... but every year some do and some rise up seemingly from nowhere.

I don't think USU or Mizzou will look as good in December as they do in July. I doubt OU will live up to expectations. Much of their hype is based on the Bama game... but it is worth remembering that Saban's team stank a bowl game up against Utah also after falling short of their NC aspirations.

In short, it is possible if not likely that some of the teams on the schedule that make it look so difficult now... won't live up to expectations.

SOS estimates get far more accurate the deeper into the season you get.
 
#63
#63
HuntlandVolinColo said:
I disagree, even our cupcake Chattanooga won like 10 games last year.

Ark schedule is close but I don't think N. Ill will be as good as last year. But then again I expect the coaching carosel to catch up with Ark St this year as well.

I suppose another way of looking at it is the loser of the TN-FL game will have the toughest schedule. Hopefully it will be FL!
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I say Fla has a tougher schedule because their toughest OOC game, FSU, is tougher than our our toughest OOC game, Oklahoma IMO. The cupcakes don't really matter and cancel one another out. Chattanooga is an FCS school so whether they won 12 games or no games shouldn't matter. They also get LSU from the West while we get an easier OleMiss.....we both get Alabama.

As for Auburn, they get the entire West Division while we get the East....hands down Auburn. Plus, they get SCar and Georgia from the East. They also go to a good Kansas St team... not as tough as going to Oklahoma but still a difficult night game in Manhattan.

Regarding your last statement, I hope it's Florida too. However, I seriously doubt it will be....Tennessee doesn't beat Florida.
 
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KBVol said:
I say Fla has a tougher schedule because their toughest OOC game, FSU, is tougher than our our toughest OOC game, Oklahoma IMO. The cupcakes don't really matter and cancel one another out. Chattanooga is an FCS school so whether they won 12 games or no games shouldn't matter. They also get LSU from the West while we get an easier OleMiss.....we both get Alabama.

As for Auburn, they get the entire West Division while we get the East....hands down Auburn. Plus, they get SCar and Georgia from the East. They also go to a good Kansas St team... not as tough as going to Oklahoma but still a difficult night game in Manhattan.

Regarding your last statement, I hope it's Florida too. However, I seriously doubt it will be....Tennessee doesn't beat Florida.[/QUOTE]

This isn't your Sal Dooley's team, this is TEAM 118 Reporting for Duty!!!
We are gonna bUTch slap those gators so hard that they become endangered feces!
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
KBVol said:
I say Fla has a tougher schedule because their toughest OOC game, FSU, is tougher than our our toughest OOC game, Oklahoma IMO. The cupcakes don't really matter and cancel one another out. Chattanooga is an FCS school so whether they won 12 games or no games shouldn't matter. They also get LSU from the West while we get an easier OleMiss.....we both get Alabama.

As for Auburn, they get the entire West Division while we get the East....hands down Auburn. Plus, they get SCar and Georgia from the East. They also go to a good Kansas St team... not as tough as going to Oklahoma but still a difficult night game in Manhattan.

Regarding your last statement, I hope it's Florida too. However, I seriously doubt it will be....Tennessee doesn't beat Florida.[/QUOTE]

This isn't your Sal Dooley's team, this is TEAM 118 Reporting for Duty!!!
We are gonna bUTch slap those gators so hard that they become endangered feces!
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Honestly not a NegaVol, but Sunseri never gave up 59 unanswered points (could've easily been 80 if Oregon had wanted to)while at UT. I'm in wait and see mode. Also, after enduring a generation of losing to Florida, if UT won 5 in a row vs the Gators, I'd still very much assume they'd lose the 6th.
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Mtntrout said:
Florida has a tougher schedule because:

1. We are on it.


2. FSU
3. BAMA and LSU vs our BAMA and Mississippi


I spelled out Mississippi because I like to put my education to use now and then.
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UT-UF weekly schedule comparison with tougher matchup in parenthesis:


Week 1 - UF - Idaho / UT - Utah St (push)
Week 2 - UF - Eastern Mich / UT - Ark State (push)
Week 3 - UF - Kentucky / UT - Oklahoma (Tennessee)
Week 4 - UF - Bama / UT - Georgia (Florida)
Week 5 - Each other
Week 6 - UF - LSU / UT - Chattanooga (Florida)
Week 7 - UF - Mizzou / UT - Ole Miss (push)
Week 8 - UF - UGA / UT - Bama (Tennessee)
Week 9 - UF - Vandy / UT - S Carolina (Tennessee)
Week 10- UF - S Carolina / UT - Kentucky (Florida)
Week 11- UF - East Kentucky / UT - Mizzou(Tennessee)
Week 12- UF - Fla State / UT - Vandy (Florida)

Pretty even, 3 games even, 4 games where UT appears to have the tougher game, 4 games where UF does.
 
#68
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ultimateUT said:
I agree that we have a tougher schedule than florida but were splitting hairs...the only reason i think its harder is the USU vs Idaho and the Ark St vs whoever the other team was. You see those 2 teams they have are absolute fluff where ours are good to really good teams from lesser conferences...but the Ole Miss vs LSU argument and OU vs FSU argument seem to be a wash to me
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Look, if you're propping-up Utah State and Arky State as anything other than total creampuffs, you've got a helluva lot more to worry about than anyone elses strength of schedule.

You should win both of those games by 4 td's, even Dooley blasted the hell out of conference creampuffs.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Honestly not a NegaVol, but Sunseri never gave up 59 unanswered points (could've easily been 80 if Oregon had wanted to)while at UT. I'm in wait and see mode. Also, after enduring a generation of losing to Florida, if UT won 5 in a row vs the Gators, I'd still very much assume they'd lose the 6th.
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Sunseri never faced an offense as potent as Oregon's. They may very well have dropped 100+ on Sunseri's defense.

Keep in mind Troy put up 48 against Sunseri.
 
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#72
Not sure where you got this....
NotoriousB-I-G said:
UT-UF weekly schedule comparison with tougher matchup in parenthesis:


Week 1 - UF - Idaho / UT - Utah St (push) UT
Week 2 - UF - Eastern Mich / UT - Ark State (push) UT
Week 3 - UF - Kentucky / UT - Oklahoma (Tennessee)
Week 4 - UF - Bama / UT - Georgia (Florida)
Week 5 - Each other
Week 6 - UF - LSU / UT - Chattanooga (Florida)
Week 7 - UF - Mizzou / UT - Ole Miss (push) UF
Week 8 - UF - UGA / UT - Bama (Tennessee)
Week 9 - UF - Vandy / UT - S Carolina (Tennessee)
Week 10- UF - S Carolina / UT - Kentucky (Florida)
Week 11- UF - East Kentucky / UT - Mizzou(Tennessee)
Week 12- UF - Fla State / UT - Vandy (Florida)

Pretty even, 3 games even, 4 games where UT appears to have the tougher game, 4 games where UF does.
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But you used a pretty flawed method of comparing schedules. It would be better if your ranked each teams' opponents hardest to easiest then compared each pairing in order of difficulty.

FSU>OU
Ole Miss<LSU
USU>Idaho
ASU>EMU
EKU=Chatt

UT may have slightly more difficult schedule "on avg" but neither team has it easy.
 
#73
#73
When you have to look at the cupcakes on the schedule to try to determine which schedule is tougher, you are wasting your time.

I think Florida's is tougher because I also think LSU is better than Ole Miss and Florida State is better than Oklahoma. I don't think those are close.

Not to mention, Oklahoma-Tennessee is just a game. It's an non-conference matchup between a couple of schools that plays like a bowl game. They don't know Tennessee. Tennessee doesn't know Oklahoma.

Florida-Florida State is a whole different deal.
 
#74
#74
FSU is better then Oklahoma

And I think lsu is slightly better then ole miss
 
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#75
#75
99gator said:
When you have to look at the cupcakes on the schedule to try to determine which schedule is tougher, you are wasting your time.

I think Florida's is tougher because I also think LSU is better than Ole Miss and Florida State is better than Oklahoma. I don't think those are close.

Not to mention, Oklahoma-Tennessee is just a game. It's an non-conference matchup between a couple of schools that plays like a bowl game. They don't know Tennessee. Tennessee doesn't know Oklahoma.

Florida-Florida State is a whole different deal.
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The caveat to that would be USU and ASU who are expected by most to be good enough to beat UT. You don't have a 3rd OOC team on your schedule that should have much of a chance much less a 4th.
 
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