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I first heard of West's problems from Coach Devoe and what concerned me more than what he said was the tone in which he said it. The man seemed very concerned.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The biggest component of defense is effort. Plenty of guys with average quickness have made themselves competent defenders by simply showing up and trying.
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it's certainly an important component but not the only one. it takes smarts and experience to be a good bball defender the same way it does to play good defense in football or baseball. simply trying hard ain't enough.

Effort should be a given; what separates the great ones is knowing how to play defense.
 
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TennNC said:
it's certainly an important component but not the only one. it takes smarts and experience to be a good bball defender the same way it does to play good defense in football or baseball. simply trying hard ain't enough.

Effort should be a given; what separates the great ones is knowing how to play defense.
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I'll disagree. Man-to-man defense is not complicated.

Force your man the opposite direction he likes to go, call out screens, stay between you man and the basket, the further you are from the ball the more you sag off into passing lanes, box out and form a triangle if close to the basket, establish if you switch on screens, hand in the face of the shooter, challenge all shots, if you get beat follow the ball etc...

It's stuff you learn in middle school or early high school. There are other variables but it's not that difficult IMO.

95% is desire and hustle.
 
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JZVOL said:
I'll disagree. Man-to-man defense is not complicated.

Force your man the opposite direction he likes to go, call out screens, stay between you man and the basket, the further you are from the ball the more you sag off into passing lanes, box out and form a triangle if close to the basket, establish if you switch on screens, hand in the face of the shooter, challenge all shots, if you get beat follow the ball etc...

It's stuff you learn in middle school or early high school. There are other variables but it's not that difficult IMO.

95% is desire and hustle.
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reading your post validates mine, as evidenced by the incomplete list of 10 fundamentals of playing good defense. and the "other variables" you mention. defense isn't that difficult if you know what you're doing. it is if you're constantly scratching your head.

you're right on one point though - most players learn this stuff growing up. most of our players apparently didn't, or they're refusing to play smart, for what reason I'd have no idea whatsoever.
 
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TennNC said:
reading your post validates mine, as evidenced by the incomplete list of 10 fundamentals of playing good defense. and the "other variables" you mention. defense isn't that difficult if you know what you're doing. it is if you're constantly scratching your head.

you're right on one point though - most players learn this stuff growing up. most of our players apparently didn't, or they're refusing to play smart, for what reason I'd have no idea whatsoever.
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That's what I can't understand either.

That's the other thing, what this team is doing (not finding your man, not stopping the ball on a fast break, not contesting shots is elementary type stuff.

The only thing it can be is lack of desire, hustle and laziness.
 
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JZVOL said:
The only thing it can be is lack of desire, hustle and laziness.
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Yeah, no way it could be a coach who acts more like their pal than their superior. Has to be the players fault.
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, no way it could be a coach who acts more like their pal than their superior. Has to be the players fault.
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I didn't put the blame on anyone really. All problems with a team start at the top IMO.

Example being the football team under FCPF, he didn't discipline the players and it showed up on the field.

But at this level one would think at least one player (T. Smith) would take ownership and bust the butts of his teammates.
 
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JZVOL said:
That's what I can't understand either.

That's the other thing, what this team is doing (not finding your man, not stopping the ball on a fast break, not contesting shots is elementary type stuff.

The only thing it can be is lack of desire, hustle and laziness.
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well, we agree on the symptoms. we disagree on the diagnosis.

You say it's effort. Though they suffer lapses, I believe the underlying cause isn't effort. I believe they (or enough of them) lack the elementary understanding of basketball - both offense and defense - and aren't getting smart quickly enough.
 
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JZVOL said:
But at this level one would think at least one player (T. Smith) would take ownership and bust the butts of his teammates.
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this is precisely why I think it has more to do with bball ABCs than effort. Tyler Smith can bark at his mates, and I think he and others do. His job isn't to teach them ball-you-man defense though.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, no way it could be a coach who acts more like their pal than their superior.
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Hang on there.

Multiple times this year I've seen Bruce blow a gasket on the court for players screwing up. E.g., he called timeout against Asheville, I believe, when we were up by 15+ and we let a guy get off a clean 3, and he absolutely laid into Renaldo.

Perhaps he lets them off the hook sometimes when he shouldn't, but I don't see what you see.
 
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TennNC said:
this is precisely why I think it has more to do with bball ABCs than effort. Tyler Smith can bark at his mates, and I think he and others do. His job isn't to teach them ball-you-man defense though.
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Then it's the coaching staff's fault for recruiting morons or for not recognizing that they are morons and teaching them basic the pillars of defense that average high school players know.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, no way it could be a coach who acts more like their pal than their superior. Has to be the players fault.
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Most of your posts are, in the least, very credible. This one isn't. You're clearly uninformed on this issue and I will just chalk it up to your bias against Pearl.
 
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truefan said:
Most of your posts are, in the least, very credible. This one isn't. You're clearly uninformed on this issue and I will just chalk it up to your bias against Pearl.
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Well put. Now that CPF is gone he has a new target (whom he's never supported) in his sights.
 
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TennNC said:
Hang on there.

Multiple times this year I've seen Bruce blow a gasket on the court for players screwing up. E.g., he called timeout against Asheville, I believe, when we were up by 15+ and we let a guy get off a clean 3, and he absolutely laid into Renaldo.

Perhaps he lets them off the hook sometimes when he shouldn't, but I don't see what you see.
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Oooh, he actually yelled at someone during a game. Petrifying. When was the last time he rooted somebody to the bench? There's a reason teams coached by K, Calhoun, and Huggins, to name a few don't make the same defensive mistakes over and over. Consequences.
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I love it when my threads turn into a reunion for my ignore list.
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hatvol96 said:
Oooh, he actually yelled at someone during a game. Petrifying. When was the last time he rooted somebody to the bench? There's a reason teams coached by K, Calhoun, and Huggins, to name a few don't make the same defensive mistakes over and over. Consequences.
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We all know you are an expert on, well, most everything. Please refresh us on where you played and coached.
 
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JZVOL said:
Then it's the coaching staff's fault for recruiting morons or for not recognizing that they are morons and teaching them basic the pillars of defense that average high school players know.
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Perhaps.

But acting like there's not a lot to learn about playing good defense in basketball is naive.
 
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TennNC said:
Perhaps.

But acting like there's not a lot to learn about playing good defense in basketball is naive.
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The basic tenet of attempting to stay in front of an opponent driving to the basket isn't exactly quantum physics.
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hatvol96 said:
Oooh, he actually yelled at someone during a game. Petrifying. When was the last time he rooted somebody to the bench? There's a reason teams coached by K, Calhoun, and Huggins, to name a few don't make the same defensive mistakes over and over. Consequences.
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He has benched many players in his time at Tennessee for poor play. Witness the shuffling point guard position last year (right or wrong).

I believe every player on this year's team has experienced that save perhaps Tyler.

I'm a Bruce fan, but I do have some concerns about him. His relationship with his players is not one of them.

it sounds like you believe there's only one way to coach effectively: by fear and punishment. I think there are more ways than that.
 
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