i wonder if muslims will still want to bomb us

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JZVOL said:
I go to a SB church and my grandfather is a SB preacher and I would not consider us radical.

Granted I drink and dance with my wife so I'm not hardcore SB... too legalistic.
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how dare you.....you heathen!
 
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lawgator1 said:
"Silent for the most part"? I've personally seen many, many Muslims who oppose and decry terrorism by anyone, including in the name of Islam. Where do you get that the bulk of Muslims sit idly by on this.
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many do so publically, yet celebrated privately after 9/11.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
And I think that is still a very small percentage of all the followers of Islam.
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Maybe but as I said before IMO there would be significant percentage 30% or so who either condone it or at the very least identify with those that go to such lengths, which is just as bad JMO.
 
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KB5252 said:
Exactly. They see it as a score for the home team, which is just as bad as supporting it.
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i've yet to have met a devout muslim who at the very minimum doesn't think that america was at least partically culpable for 9/11. god knows what they say when they are among themselves.

rofl. i love the fact that the "international muslim matrimonials site" is a banner add on this thread.
 
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KB5252 said:
No, he should state the plain and simple truth.......we are war with a certain element, Islamic fundamentalists. I'm sure many Muslims would find it offensive but civilized societies find terrorists offensive, they should just deal with the fact that there is an element of their religion that has grown into a huge problem that disrupts the peace in our global society.
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True, but there is an element of Christianity that is equally as violent... e.g. Timothy McVeigh and Oklahoma City bombing... Religion is an easy tool to use to justify violent actions, because in every religious book there are pieces that you can pick out that make violence seem justifiable... Unfortunately a lot of people have already decided what they want Islam to be defined as...
 
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droski said:
i've yet to have met a devout muslim who at the very minimum doesn't think that america was at least partically culpable for 9/11. god knows what they say when they are among themselves.

rofl. i love the fact that the "international muslim matrimonials site" is a banner add on this thread.
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I think a considerable number of Muslims and non-Muslims alike understand the larger framework that led to 9/11, i.e. American occupation in the Arab peninsula, etc. I mean I guess it depends on how you define "culpable." The fact that we are the most powerful country in the world in itself would tend to make us partially "culpable" for 9/11 (although our power certainly does not demand an apology) but since Muslim extremists aren't racing to go attack Switzerland or something then yeah, our greatness and power is partially the reason for 9/11... However, there are MANY Muslims that disagree with 9/11, especially on religious grounds.... I know plenty, and I'm sure you do too..
 
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WPAINE said:
I think a considerable number of Muslims and non-Muslims alike understand the larger framework that led to 9/11, i.e. American occupation in the Arab peninsula, etc. I mean I guess it depends on how you define "culpable." The fact that we are the most powerful country in the world in itself would tend to make us partially "culpable" for 9/11 (although our power certainly does not demand an apology) but since Muslim extremists aren't racing to go attack Switzerland or something then yeah, our greatness and power is partially the reason for 9/11... However, there are MANY Muslims that disagree with 9/11, especially on religious grounds.... I know plenty, and I'm sure you do too..
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WPAINE said:
True, but there is an element of Christianity that is equally as violent... e.g. Timothy McVeigh and Oklahoma City bombing... Religion is an easy tool to use to justify violent actions, because in every religious book there are pieces that you can pick out that make violence seem justifiable... Unfortunately a lot of people have already decided what they want Islam to be defined as...
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That has already been laid out in this thread and agreed upon. If this had been a building occupied by muslim business people do you believe American's nation wide would have stopped their work to go out into the streets and dance, rejoicing in the slaughter of innocents?
 
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WPAINE said:
I think a considerable number of Muslims and non-Muslims alike understand the larger framework that led to 9/11, i.e. American occupation in the Arab peninsula, etc. I mean I guess it depends on how you define "culpable." The fact that we are the most powerful country in the world in itself would tend to make us partially "culpable" for 9/11 (although our power certainly does not demand an apology) but since Muslim extremists aren't racing to go attack Switzerland or something then yeah, our greatness and power is partially the reason for 9/11... However, there are MANY Muslims that disagree with 9/11, especially on religious grounds.... I know plenty, and I'm sure you do too..
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No doubt, we should be less successful as a nation so we don't upset others and cause them to attack us.
 
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WPAINE said:
True, but there is an element of Christianity that is equally as violent... e.g. Timothy McVeigh and Oklahoma City bombing... Religion is an easy tool to use to justify violent actions, because in every religious book there are pieces that you can pick out that make violence seem justifiable... Unfortunately a lot of people have already decided what they want Islam to be defined as...
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Try again. He was not a Christian.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
But your including a large number of attacks in known war zones. Although they are technically "terrorist attacks", it's not like blowing up the clinic on the corner of Main Street in Anytown USA.

And for the record, I agree that silence is support in this case, but I don't think all Muslims are supporting the radical faction that blows themselves up in the name of Allah.
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I would venture to guess that many more people were killed in 9/11 and the London and Madrid bombings than have ever been killed in abortion clinic attacks.
 
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Back to the original question.....yes these people still hate us and will always hate us no matter how far we go in trying to play nice. It is very dangerous and naïve to believe anything these Muslim leaders might agree to for it’s written in their beliefs its fine to lie if it's good for Islam. They are taught to lie and deceive until they are strong enough to take over and force all to Islam or kill them.
 
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JZVOL said:
No doubt, we should be less successful as a nation so we don't upset others and cause them to attack us.
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haha, exactly, thats why I said it certainly doesn't deserve an apology from our end.... But, our success and power comes at a cost - we are the scapegoat for a lot of problems in the world... I could have stated that better before, but that is all I meant to say...
 
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alaVOL said:
Back to the original question.....yes these people still hate us and will always hate us no matter how far we go in trying to play nice. It is very dangerous and naïve to believe anything these Muslim leaders might agree to for it’s written in their beliefs its fine to lie if it's good for Islam. They are taught to lie and deceive until they are strong enough to take over and force all to Islam or kill them.
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You make some pretty hasty generalizations in this post...
 
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JZVOL said:
Try again. He was not a Christian.
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He may not be Christian to our standards, but his attacks on the Oklahoma City bombings were in revenge to the governments attacks on the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX....

My point is that Christianity can just as easily be distorted in a way to promote violence and terrorism as Islam can..
 
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I think there is a double standard going on. Take the LDS cult in Texas last year. Islam matches them sin for sin...forced marriages, undying worship of religious figures, tightly controlled religious communities, child abuse, and substandard education...then add to that suicide bombings and idolized martyrdom...and they are much worse.

What happens then?

The cult is portrayed by the media as a bunch of crazies, and Islam is defended at every turn.

Ridiculous.
 
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