I would rather be banned from NCAA tourney

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volmancagle17

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I would rather be banned from the NCAA tourney for a year, be on probation for 5 years and lose scholarships and keep bruce pearl, rather than be a witness to our formerly strong program dieing before our eyes.

We have no excitement in the games, no passion, no intensity. Were not getting any recruits, TBA is quiet, the student section is a joke, and were probably not gonna make the tourney anyway. Do you have any serious interest in the team? Do you remember how CBP endeared us? He bought Pizzas for the students, played an exciting brand of ball that got us to come see what the fuss was, hovered around campus high fiving students and teachers. He bled orange. We werent a middle of the conference team anymore. We beat teams like Texas, Florida, Kansas, Pittsburgh, Ohio State, Memphis, Kentucky and other power house schools. We were a top 25 team consistently and top 10 on a number of occassions. Never once missing the NCAA tourney.

All im saying is, I wish MH would have waited a couple of weeks and stand by the guy that made him his money. We should have taken the punishment from the NCAA, and went down swinging, playing like heck and be ready for when the NCAA tourney let us back. And I know many of you agreed with MH saying Bruce had to go, and you guys are (at least so far) Wrong. Without bruce, will we be a NCAA tourney team this year? Probably not. Next year? Borderline? Maybe?

I know you guys have friends that are UK, Florida, Vandy, and Bama fans. Ask them, does CCM scare you? With him at the helm, does tennessee make you nervous when you see them on the schedule? They will all say a resounding NO.


We gained nothing by letting Pearl go. We only lost everything.

So I ask you this, with the results you see now from the current team/staff. Would you have kept pearl if the NCAA banned the Vols for 2 years and probation for 4 years with 2 scholarship removed for 2 years?

Yes, because it would have kept the program alive and competitive.
 
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Let the man coach more than 25% of the games in his first season before we start calling for his head. Even if BP was here its not like we have world beaters on this team. There is a talent deficiency that will take time to recover from.
 
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SecondYearVol said:
Let the man coach more than 25% of the games in his first season before we start calling for his head. Even if BP was here its not like we have world beaters on this team. There is a talent deficiency that will take time to recover from.
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He always coached less talented teams better anyway. I.e. the Kansas game, and all of his first year. I agree we should let the guy coach more games, but by bruces 10th game we knew we had a rock star.
 
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You do understand that Pearl and all of his staff got at least 1 year recruiting bans? Right? Pearls was 3 years I believe. How could he recruit? Also, if UT hadn't canned him the penalties would have been ridiculous. The NCAA had already shown that they meant business with the trumped up major "bump" violation. So if Pearl stays, the NCAA sticks UT with lack of institutional control, Pearl and staff get recruiting bans for who knows how long, plus a couple scholarships a year, and some post season bans just to top it all off. So Pearl and his staff, who can't even have a simple BBQ, visit a practice, or have kids in on official visits without breaking rules, get to live and work under a 3 or 4 year microscope, during which time they cannot go off campus to recruit. Who exactly is playing for UT by then? Guys that just wonder onto campus and ask to play for UT?

Seriously, Martin may end up not being the guy, but keeping Pearl just wasn't an option. Martin may set the program back 3 years, keeping Pearl would have destroyed it for a decade. And they would be just as bad this year with Pearl here. Who was going to be his Freshman clase? Neither Ware or Jones qualified, and Pearl and Co. weren't going to be able to go out and recruit. So his team would have been this bunch minus all the new comers.
 
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volmancagle17 said:
He always coached less talented teams better anyway. I.e. the Kansas game, and all of his first year. I agree we should let the guy coach more games, but by bruces 10th game we knew we had a rock star.
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With the exception of maybe Maymon, there isn't a single player on this team that would have seen 5min/game on Pearl's first team. Maybe if Pearl had left Martin the same talent he inherited things might be a bit different.
 
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volmancagle17 said:
He always coached less talented teams better anyway. I.e. the Kansas game, and all of his first year. I agree we should let the guy coach more games, but by bruces 10th game we knew we had a rock star.
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To your point, we knew we had a great coach, and we were fortunate to have him. However, Martin is a different type of coach. I think he understands that this is a process and will take some time. However, should he be able to land Stokes and some top recruits in the near future, it will bolster his efforts significantly. I believe we were spoiled by Bruce's immediate impact.
 
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We have 5 top 100 recruits on this team....i thought the no talent/experience bull**** was football.
 
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You have a point in one perspective. I think the university was smart in the handling of
this episode. I know many will attack this statement, but, the question still remains. Why
would one of our main boosters and former board member give Pearl a three year job when he was considering taking a job in Dallas? Was it to make sure he stayed in Knoxville? We received no sanctions from the NCAA. I know that Bozeman is the only coach to get another job in division one, but, Bozeman's record of achievement is far below that of Pearl. So to all the haters " This ain't Kansas anymore, Dorothy".
 
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Whoever came in here was going to have a tough time following what Pearl did. The thing is Tennessee isn't known as a basketball school. No disrespect to Martin, but i highly doubt he'll be able to get the personnel in here to compete and beat the big boys of College basketball. He was another ho hum hire, just like Dooley.
 
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knowthevols said:
You have a point in one perspective. I think the university was smart in the handling of
this episode. I know many will attack this statement, but, the question still remains. Why
would one of our main boosters and former board member give Pearl a three year job when he was considering taking a job in Dallas? Was it to make sure he stayed in Knoxville? We received no sanctions from the NCAA. I know that Bozeman is the only coach to get another job in division one, but, Bozeman's record of achievement is far below that of Pearl. So to all the haters " This ain't Kansas anymore, Dorothy".
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Could it be they recognized his potential as a great businessman? Even the cutthroat tactics of deceit added to his promotional abilities spell success in this corporate environment.
 
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PanicVol said:
We have 5 top 100 recruits on this team....i thought the no talent/experience bull**** was football.
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The thing that really upsets me is no passion! I can take the losses if we were fighting our heart out. If our coaches taking on the referees to show the team support. My 78 year old grandma was watching the C of C game and ask me. What's wrong with your coach. Everytime I see him he is just drinking water and crossing his arms?
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
The thing that really upsets me is no passion! I can take the losses if we were fighting our heart out. If our coaches taking on the referees to show the team support. My 78 year old grandma was watching the C of C game and ask me. What's wrong with your coach. Everytime I see him he is just drinking water and crossing his arms?
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Are you sure you're watching UT games?
These kids have come back at the end of most of these losses only to lose on poor execution or bonehead turnovers.
It's a problem of overcoming mental mistakes and learning to finish games, not intensity.
 
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calban said:
Could it be they recognized his potential as a great businessman? Even the cutthroat tactics of deceit added to his promotional abilities spell success in this corporate environment.
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If he was totally without ethics he would have given them a large cash payment. It was what Selby's mom was after was it not.
 
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zansdad said:
With the exception of maybe Maymon, there isn't a single player on this team that would have seen 5min/game on Pearl's first team. Maybe if Pearl had left Martin the same talent he inherited things might be a bit different.
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I am sick and tired of people saying this. Cuonzo, based on talent going into the season, was left with alot more than Bruce Pearl was. Bruce was left with a team that won 14 games the year before and then made the tourney. He turned those guys into winners, not the other way around. Cuonzo, on the other hand, was left with four 4* recruits and lost to Austin Peay.
 
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I thought Pearl Vision was a place to get glasses....but it is thick in this thread...
If Pearl is not fired, then lack of institutional control likely sticks to basketball (100% Pearl's fault), football (even with kiffin gone) those major to minor violations stay as majors... The 2011 basketball recruiting was already screwed...CCM brought in talent in a short time. Talent that needs to mature, but just like football does not have that luxury. Also, think about football, if major violations stick then no way in hades does CDD pull in a top 15 class...football at UT continues its death spiral with no glimmer of hope!

Instead, sans Pearl, basketball is facing a tough but not impossible rebuilding process (honestly, how many of the current Pearl 4stars are helping?) recruit J Stokes is leaning toward the Vols due to CCM, not Pearl! Football will likely have its 3rd top 15 class in a row, the juniors in football will be battle tested veterans with quality depth and potential (if the d linemen sign)...

Pearl thought he was bigger than the ncaa and it got him canned.

I feel better. Especially since UT did not get sanctioned, the losses are punishment enough.
 
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knowthevols said:
If he was totally without ethics he would have given them a large cash payment. It was what Selby's mom was after was it not.
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Never said he was totally unethical. Said he had all the qualities to be successful in our business world.
He was a 'great' coach but an even better businessman.
 
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rich4pres said:
I am sick and tired of people saying this. Cuonzo, based on talent going into the season, was left with alot more than Bruce Pearl was. Bruce was left with a team that won 14 games the year before and then made the tourney. He turned those guys into winners, not the other way around. Cuonzo, on the other hand, was left with four 4* recruits and lost to Austin Peay.
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Prove your statement. Pull stats for the roster Pearl was left with. Pull the stats of the roster that CCM was left with... Pearls got talented hard-working recruits that had been poorly coached. CCM has 4star players that were being continually bashed for their lack of intensity, work ethic and called busts by VN when they were Pearl's team... There is a big difference, can you NOT see it? CCM probably wishes that Steven Pearl had another year, just for his intensity and work ethic...
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Prove your statement. Pull stats for the roster Pearl was left with. Pull the stats of the roster that CCM was left with... Pearls got talented hard-working recruits that had been poorly coached. CCM has 4star players that were being continually bashed for their lack of intensity, work ethic and called busts by VN when they were Pearl's team... There is a big difference, can you NOT see it? CCM probably wishes that Steven Pearl had another year, just for his intensity and work ethic...
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We had two guys coming back that were respectable: Chris Lofton and CJ Watson....J Smith,D Bradshaw, A Patterson, and M Wingate had shown nothing up to that point. We had lost two of our top four players, Had no players of real note coming in and was picked to finish fifth in the SEC East. Pearl was great at adapting to what he had on the court and getting the most out of it.

I hope Zo can get the job done but he has to prove it on the court.
 
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gobigorange11 said:
you really have no clue what a show cause is do you?
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A show cause just means that if anyone is to hire that coach then the institution has to show cause why the restrictions should not hire that coach during the time of the show cause. It holds no meaning after the show cause has passed.

Two coaches have been hired after a show cause order...... Todd Boseman and Rob Senderoff.

Rob Senderoff was never even fired as an assistant from Kent State, the school just decided to follow the restrictions and then named him their head coach after the show cause was finished.

It is true that most coaches have not coached again following a show cause but all of them either paid players or was caught fixing grades. They also received show cause orders from five to eight years.

Bruce Pearl will coach again if he wants too.
 
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