If Healthcare passes today....

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thekicker33 said:
OK, lets see... Paying for Cobra without money coming in.............. Yep, in about a year, I'd be bankrupt...

and fyi... Cobra is a law implemented by the GOVERNMENT to make sure businesses can't just leave their employees high and dry... Ohhhh, the horrors
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it is your choice to not be working a real job.....it is your choice to be a student......see how that works
 
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thekicker33 said:
So you mean to tell me women voting wasn't a basic human right because it wasn't written down???

See, human rights CAN'T change over time. Human rights are what they are from the beginning of time, whether they are the law of the land or not. Laws, however, right or wrong can change.

And I don't want anything handed to me... I want to be protected in case, for whatever reason, my wife loses her job and accordingly insurance before I'm able to get a job with insurance. Because if she did lose her job and then I found out i had cancer, I'd go bankrupt trying to pay for treatment.... That's not acceptable in this country...
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So by your logic, a tribe somewhere in some remote jungle that my have had no outside influence into their lives should have the right to vote in their soceity even they though they know nothing about democracy??? Just how do they learn this right to vote? The right to vote came about because of laws. Yes laws were changed and afforded people to vote. Voting was not a right until it first became a law.

Good luck on the insurance thing and finding a job while your hero is bankrupting this country. Not to mention sending our stimulus money overseas to create jobs in other countries!
 
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Oldvol75 said:
So by your logic, a tribe somewhere in some remote jungle that my have had no outside influence into their lives should have the right to vote in their soceity even they though they know nothing about democracy??? Just how do they learn this right to vote? The right to vote came about because of laws. Yes laws were changed and afforded people to vote. Voting was not a right until it first became a law.

Good luck on the insurance thing and finding a job while your hero is bankrupting this country. Not to mention sending our stimulus money overseas to create jobs in other countries!
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In Communist countries, no less.
 
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its not fair if you get cancer and don't have insurance? lifes not fair kicker, stuff happens. my aunt, who has MS and can't do anything for herself, can complain that its not fair that you can walk, talk, feed yourself, etc and she can't. healthcare is not a right, i'm not sure where you get that from
 
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It's not always your choice to be unemployed............ Getting laid off = a time period without money coming in. In this economy, there's no telling how long that could be... I was laid off from my job, looked for 6 months to find a job before getting married. It's one of the reasons I'm a student again since this economy didn't allow me to find a job. Thankfully, I'm insured through my wife. Without her, I had the great potential to be up a creek if something was found wrong with me healthwise
 
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thekicker33 said:
It's not always your choice to be unemployed............ Getting laid off = a time period without money coming in. In this economy, there's no telling how long that could be... I was laid off from my job, looked for 6 months to find a job before getting married. It's one of the reasons I'm a student again since this economy didn't allow me to find a job. Thankfully, I'm insured through my wife. Without her, I had the great potential to be up a creek if something was found wrong with me healthwise
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Congradulations, you've made it!
 
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Oldvol75 said:
So by your logic, a tribe somewhere in some remote jungle that my have had no outside influence into their lives should have the right to vote in their soceity even they though they know nothing about democracy??? Just how do they learn this right to vote? The right to vote came about because of laws. Yes laws were changed and afforded people to vote. Voting was not a right until it first became a law.

Good luck on the insurance thing and finding a job while your hero is bankrupting this country. Not to mention sending our stimulus money overseas to create jobs in other countries!
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you didn't answer my question....

and your tribe logic is a little different... you're right, they have no concept of voting...

But try reading the declaration of independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..
In the United States there WAS a concept of voting being a RIGHT........ but since it wasn't a law, women didn't have the right??? Buddy, your logic is greatly flawed.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
its not fair if you get cancer and don't have insurance? lifes not fair kicker, stuff happens. my aunt, who has MS and can't do anything for herself, can complain that its not fair that you can walk, talk, feed yourself, etc and she can't. healthcare is not a right, i'm not sure where you get that from
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i'm not sure where you don't get healthcare isn't a right
 
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thekicker33 said:
It's not always your choice to be unemployed............ Getting laid off = a time period without money coming in. In this economy, there's no telling how long that could be... I was laid off from my job, looked for 6 months to find a job before getting married. It's one of the reasons I'm a student again since this economy didn't allow me to find a job. Thankfully, I'm insured through my wife. Without her, I had the great potential to be up a creek if something was found wrong with me healthwise
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The only thing I've understood from this thread:

If you're poor and unemployed with cancer, tough luck. If you can't afford to pay the bills tough luck, my massive charity donations will bail you out - did you know I graduated from a prestigious university?

Verbal attack, you're an idiot

The entire country is full of illiterate bums who draw a check. Quite clearly Darwin and Ayn Rand were correct. Health care reform is clearly government intrusion into our lives; the Communist, Muslim, terrorist from Kenya is also planning to take away my fully automatic silenced machine guns which I need for hunting.

Verbal attack, you're an idiot

The clown Obozo quite clearly didn't read the constitution as it clearly states that Republicans are supreme. Actually in fact, it was distasteful to be a Democrat in the 1700's even though they didn't exist.

We need to move to Texas, this country sucks. Revolution, Revolution, Revolution!

Health care reform sucks.

Communism!

Socialism!

Verbal attack, you're an idiot.

Obama isn't American.

Ronald Reagan was amazing.

Verbal attack, you're an idiot.
 
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Now that they will become legal, who's up for a good old fashioned death panel? I get center seat!
 
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bam15 said:
The only thing I've understood from this thread:

If you're poor and unemployed with cancer, tough luck. If you can't afford to pay the bills tough luck, my massive charity donations will bail you out - did you know I graduated from a prestigious university?

Verbal attack, you're an idiot

The entire country is full of illiterate bums who draw a check. Quite clearly Darwin and Ayn Rand were correct. Health care reform is clearly government intrusion into our lives; the Communist, Muslim, terrorist from Kenya is also planning to take away my fully automatic silenced machine guns which I need for hunting.

Verbal attack, you're an idiot

The clown Obozo quite clearly didn't read the constitution as it clearly states that Republicans are supreme. Actually in fact, it was distasteful to be a Democrat in the 1700's even though they didn't exist.

We need to move to Texas, this country sucks. Revolution, Revolution, Revolution!

Health care reform sucks.

Communism!

Socialism!

Verbal attack, you're an idiot.

Obama isn't American.

Ronald Reagan was amazing.

Verbal attack, you're an idiot.
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yeah, that's about right
 
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thekicker33 said:
you didn't answer my question....

and your tribe logic is a little different... you're right, they have no concept of voting...

But try reading the declaration of independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..
In the United States there WAS a concept of voting being a RIGHT........ but since it wasn't a law, women didn't have the right??? Buddy, your logic is greatly flawed.
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That would be the pre-amble.

But those rights came about by laws that were made by the constitution. Yes, because it wasn't a law, women did not have the right to vote, thus the 19th amendment. What is so confusing to you, you act like the constitution was written last year, but your hero will be changing this too!

So by you never responding to being a socialist, then you must be one.
 
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thekicker33 said:
It's not always your choice to be unemployed............ Getting laid off = a time period without money coming in. In this economy, there's no telling how long that could be... I was laid off from my job, looked for 6 months to find a job before getting married. It's one of the reasons I'm a student again since this economy didn't allow me to find a job. Thankfully, I'm insured through my wife. Without her, I had the great potential to be up a creek if something was found wrong with me healthwise
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So how is raising someones taxes, in this economy, going to help anyone. If I get my taxes raised, then thats taking money that I use to put food on the table and save to send my kids to college.

I make $50,000 a year. I have a mortgage, car payments, insurance on home and cars. After putting back money for expenses like car trouble ,house repairs, college, braces, christmas, birthdays. Then you add the real expenses like electric bills, water bills, county taxes, gas, etc.., I barely have enough left over to take my wife out for an ice cream cone.

How do you expect me to put another person on my back and carry them?

I do this every month, knowing that I will never be wealthy and never jealous of someone who has more than me. Thats the hand that I was given and I just deal with it.

But people like you want me to give more, when I dont have it.

Is that fair to my family?

They are my responsibility. You are not
 
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Oldvol75 said:
That would be the pre-amble.

But those rights came about by laws that were made by the constitution. Yes, because it wasn't a law, women did not have the right to vote, thus the 19th amendment. What is so confusing to you, you act like the constitution was written last year, but your hero will be changing this too!

So by you never responding to being a socialist, then you must be one.
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Yes, the preamble to the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

Fine, those rights came about by law...
So essentially what you're saying is since it was the law (but not a right) it was OK for women not to vote or for slavery to occur:confused:
 
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thekicker33 said:
Yes, the preamble to the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

Fine, those rights came about by law...
So essentially what you're saying is since it was the law (but not a right) it was OK for women not to vote or for slavery to occur:confused:
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At that period of time in our country it was acceptable and the law. It was changed by men of vision who finally realized the error of their ways and changed it.

Do I personally think it was right? No! But during that period of time it was what those people thought was right for them.

Whats confusing about the history of this country to you?
 
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thekicker33 said:
Healthcare is a right!!

Repeat this about 50,000 times and maybe you'll get this..

See what I did there :p
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As you so cleverly stated before, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. When this Constitution was written, there was no such thing as health care! So your argument is void of any fact. You went to a doctor and paid with a chicken!
 
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Wait till the government decides that we, including kicker, are too stupid to vote on matters, so they will decide for us. Wait!!! They're doing that right now.

If this is what Americans want, why not put it on the ballet in 2010. Let Americans decide for themselves by a popular vote.

Would your great Usurper go for that?
 
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