If Healthcare passes today....

[RobsPics]

Thats right, a Republic. Not a Socialist Democracy.

And since when have they done anything we wanted them to do, without bankrupting us.

Government couldnt fix a hole in the ground, made by a shovel, with a truck load full of dirt

"They" have done "something" that "I" have always wanted them to do...universal health care for example.

 

[RobsPics]

That is so true and the denial by Obamas minions is proof positive. They couldnt see there hand if it was directly in front of their face.

They believe everything the usurper and the other politicians tell them.

I dont trust any politicians.

So you agree with Karl Marx? lol:lol:lol:

 

[CountVolcula]

"They" have done "something" that "I" have always wanted them to do...universal health care for example.

Can they do it without bankrupting the taxpayer?

What? for the 7 years you been eligible to vote

 

[CountVolcula]

So you agree with Karl Marx? lol:lol:lol:

If Obama said 2+2=4, I would agree with him. Doesnt mean I agree with everything he says

 

[foreignvol]

"They" have done "something" that "I" have always wanted them to do...universal health care for example.

That is fine, as long as "they" let me opt out, instead of punishing me for refusing to participate in their program.

 

[RobsPics]

That is fine, as long as "they" let me opt out, instead of punishing me for refusing to participate in their program.

Like I said before, freedom ain't free.

Of course you can "opt out". No one is forcing you to use your government funded health care. Just like no one is forcing you to use government built roads, or government funded police, or government funded fire services. You can "opt out" of all of those services.

But you are going to pay for it regardless.

Freedom ain't free.

 

[bam15]

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[BigPapaVol]

Like I said before, freedom ain't free.

Of course you can "opt out". No one is forcing you to use your government funded health care. Just like no one is forcing you to use government built roads, or government funded police, or government funded fire services. You can "opt out" of all of those services.

But you are going to pay for it regardless.

Freedom ain't free.

You clearly don't understand how this bureaucratic abortion is being funded.
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[BigPapaVol]

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It's sad that you believe our government would ever provide a palatable solution. Further, the smug approach here is pitiful. We're about to be handed to first step to a disaster, which could have been avoided by wiping out the antitrust exemption and pooling for preexisting conditions.
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[Brewerw]

Like I said before, freedom ain't free.

Of course you can "opt out". No one is forcing you to use your government funded health care. Just like no one is forcing you to use government built roads, or government funded police, or government funded fire services. You can "opt out" of all of those services.

But you are going to pay for it regardless.

Freedom ain't free.

Are you seriously likening universal healthcare to roads, police, and the fire department?
And how can you possibly use the phrase, "freedom ain't free" here.

 

[foreignvol]

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[myrobbins7]

So when they pass this bill does the care get better, stay the same or get worse? Just wondering everyones thoughts?

 

[BigPapaVol]

So when they pass this bill does the care get better, stay the same or get worse? Just wondering everyones thoughts?

Near term, little change. Long term erosion.

Cost: through the roof. Unmanageable.
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[RobsPics]

Ok then, you win:thumbsup:







for now...

LOL it's not about winning or losing. It's about protecting a person's Constitutional right to health care (9th Amendment for you doubters).

Just because your GOP representatives couldn't "kill the bill" doesn't mean you lost....unless for some odd reason you feel like a loser...

 

[CountVolcula]

Are you seriously likening universal healthcare to roads, police, and the fire department?
And how can you possibly use the phrase, "freedom ain't free" here.

Freedom aint free, but healthcare should be!!

Dont you see his logic

:crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[golfballs]

So when they pass this bill does the care get better, stay the same or get worse? Just wondering everyones thoughts?

Care gets worse. They are using this bill to try and cut costs. You can't cut costs, and include more people without greatly diminishing the quality of care.

 

[RobsPics]

Freedom aint free, but healthcare should be!!

Dont you see his logic

:crazy::crazy::crazy:

I never said health care should be free lol.

 

[myrobbins7]

Near term, little change. Long term erosion.

Cost: through the roof. Unmanageable.
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Thats about what I think. I main thing is the cost of the bill and who's going to pay for it. Thanks BPV.

 

[BigPapaVol]

LOL it's not about winning or losing. It's about protecting a person's Constitutional right to health care (9th Amendment for you doubters).

Just because your GOP representatives couldn't "kill the bill" doesn't mean you lost....unless for some odd reason you feel like a loser...

Right to healthcare has not one freaking thing to do with who pays for healthcare.

You have absolute right to cable TV as well, but clamoring for me to pay for your right is equally senseless.
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[CountVolcula]

LOL it's not about winning or losing. It's about protecting a person's Constitutional right to health care (9th Amendment for you doubters).

Just because your GOP representatives couldn't "kill the bill" doesn't mean you lost....unless for some odd reason you feel like a loser...

You mean they had health insurance when the Constitution was ratified. I never knew that!!

By the way, the 9th Amendment says:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Where does it say anything about healthcare?

 

[BigPapaVol]

I never said health care should be free lol.

You said it should be free for those who cannot pay for their care. You littered the debate with crap about rights to obfuscate your silliness, but free is the implied crap.
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[foreignvol]

LOL it's not about winning or losing. It's about protecting a person's Constitutional right to health care (9th Amendment for you doubters).

Just because your GOP representatives couldn't "kill the bill" doesn't mean you lost....unless for some odd reason you feel like a loser...

When you take my money to pay for other peoples needs, you are taking away the fruits of my labor, making me no better than a serf.

 

[RobsPics]

Right to healthcare has not one freaking thing to do with who pays for healthcare.

You have absolute right to cable TV as well, but clamoring for me to pay for your right is equally senseless.
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Apparently, the majority of the people do not hold the same view as you, or else Obama would not have been elected in 2008.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Apparently, the majority of the people do not hold the same view as you, or else Obama would not have been elected in 2008.

If that lie helps you sleep, congrats on your gullibility and ostrich imitation. Go to Hollywood.
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[RobsPics]

You mean they had health insurance when the Constitution was ratified. I never knew that!!

By the way, the 9th Amendment says:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Where does it say anything about healthcare?

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

See "others"...there's your health care. Obama said it during his campaign, and he won the election...meaning the majority of voters agree with him.