If I hear one more comment about stars!!!!

Is too much invested in recruiting star power?

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LANEDALTON

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Does everyone actually believe that if a player doesnt have 5 stars he isnt any good? Its getting really old. Florida and Alabama get tons of stars because the places they recruit get alot of media attention.

Tennessee does not have this priviledge. Quit expecting them to.

I would love a team full of great players that were underrated coming out of high school because they didnt play against teams with 4 and 5 star players according to the recruiting agencies every week.

We sold out once for the stars and it just amazes how quickly people would do it again. Dont forget how it felt to know we were nothing but a stepping stone.

Let Dooley do it right, and quit saying how you would do it. If we was as good as we thought we were we would be coaching. Instead I'm in the Army, some of you all are construction workers, lawyers, doctors, and factory workers.

I wouldnt want Dooley to tell me how to lead my guys, much like I'm sure you wouldnt want him to tell you how to do your jobs.

Layoff and let them do thier job.:furious3:
 
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LANEDALTON said:
Does everyone actually believe that if a player doesnt have 5 stars he isnt any good? Its getting really old. Florida and Alabama get tons of stars because the places they recruit get alot of media attention.

Tennessee does not have this priviledge. Quit expecting them to.

I would love a team full of great players that were underrated coming out of high school because they didnt play against teams with 4 and 5 star players according to the recruiting agencies every week.

We sold out once for the stars and it just amazes how quickly people would do it again. Dont forget how it felt to know we were nothing but a stepping stone.

Let Dooley do it right, and quit saying how you would do it. If we was as good as we thought we were we would be coaching. Instead I'm in the Army, some of you all are construction workers, lawyers, doctors, and factory workers.

I wouldnt want Dooley to tell me how to lead my guys, much like I'm sure you wouldnt want him to tell you how to do your jobs.

Layoff and let them do thier job.:furious3:
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Yeah, Alabama's location is getting them those high profile recruits. Gainesville sucks, too. They got coaches to get great players, and now they win championships. Hopefully we'll catch on sooner or later.
 
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Agreed good sir. I am a die hard UT football fan my uncle played there, I went to school there, although I do side with the Dukies in basketball (grew up watching them with my papaw cause thats where he went) I have to admit I joined this website to talk about how crazy some of these idiots are. Everyone on here thinks they could coach better than dooley and its crazy, and for some reason people think our basketball team which was very solid at best were guaranteed to beat duke in the title game yet they have no faith in our moneymaker of a football team. yea we have sucked at times but think about last year and we are an average offense away from going to a BCS game. Our defense was amazing the past two years and I am expecting more of the same from this group and I would be willing to throw bray in the game before crompton tomorrow. in five years these posters will be eating their words on dooley and i say lets go win 8 or 9 games this year and make things interesting, cause this team is put together better than this years basketball team and you all loved them.
 
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I said where they recruit. Meyer has Florida (the whole state). Saban has Alabama (the whole state). 2 states that produce damn good talent year in and year out. We have oncies and twosies. We have to pluck from Georgia and and other surrounding states. It isnt as easy. In doing so they have to find more under the radar guys.
 
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Alabama's talent is okay, not great. Saban isn't winning because his ability to recruit Alabama. Florida has a great state, but they share it with schools in locations that don't suck. They have an advantage, but not enough that we have to settle for mediocre players. We've been in an awful situation and we've still pulled in back to back top 10 classes. A really good recruiter can pull in the best. That's what we need to keep up with these teams. We're not winning anything with 3 star players.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Alabama's talent is okay, not great. Saban isn't winning because his ability to recruit Alabama. Florida has a great state, but they share it with schools in locations that don't suck. They have an advantage, but not enough that we have to settle for mediocre players. We've been in an awful situation and we've still pulled in back to back top 10 classes. A really good recruiter can pull in the best. That's what we need to keep up with these teams. We're not winning anything with 3 star players.
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We're not winning anything right now but arguments amongst ourselves.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Alabama's talent is okay, not great. Saban isn't winning because his ability to recruit Alabama. Florida has a great state, but they share it with schools in locations that don't suck. They have an advantage, but not enough that we have to settle for mediocre players. We've been in an awful situation and we've still pulled in back to back top 10 classes. A really good recruiter can pull in the best. That's what we need to keep up with these teams. We're not winning anything with 3 star players.
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Boise State, TCU, and Utah are winning with 3 stars. Why? Because, they are not really 3 stars. That is the sign of a good recruiter. Someone who sees a diamond in the rough. Great coaches can coach them up to the level. Before I hear the MWC or WAC critcism, remember how these 3 teams fair when they play someone from a power conference. They normally win. Just let them coach and then if we suck in a couple years your point is valid. If they are competing I would hope you could man up and admit your wrong.
 
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LANEDALTON said:
Boise State, TCU, and Utah are winning with 3 stars. Why? Because, they are not really 3 stars. That is the sign of a good recruiter. Someone who sees a diamond in the rough. Great coaches can coach them up to the level. Before I hear the MWC or WAC critcism, remember how these 3 teams fair when they play someone from a power conference. They normally win. Just let them coach and then if we suck in a couple years your point is valid. If they are competing I would hope you could man up and admit your wrong.
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They also have better coaches and play in a weak conference.
 
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LANEDALTON said:
Boise State, TCU, and Utah are winning with 3 stars. Why? Because, they are not really 3 stars. That is the sign of a good recruiter. Someone who sees a diamond in the rough. Great coaches can coach them up to the level. Before I hear the MWC or WAC critcism, remember how these 3 teams fair when they play someone from a power conference. They normally win. Just let them coach and then if we suck in a couple years your point is valid. If they are competing I would hope you could man up and admit your wrong.
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That's complete crap. Mid Majors are always used as an argument for star power. I don't believe for a minute they have all the great evaluators or great developers of talent. That's simply garbage.They're good, but there's no way that those 80th ranked recruiting classes are actually as good as the top 5 classes Bama and UF pull in, and there's no way Chris Petersen is better at developing talent than Nick Saban. The mid majors, esepcially Boise, make their living by beating up on their conference, and then pulling an upset on a team that is completely unmotivated to play them. Switch their schedule with UT's, and they lose, on average, 3 game a year, minimum.
 
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GahLee said:
They also have better coaches and play in a weak conference.
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You dont know they have better coaches. In fact Wilcox is from Boise and get ready to see what you saw in the bowl game versus TCU.

Weak conference or not they normally beat the teams from power conferences.
 
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tvolsfan said:
That's complete crap. Mid Majors are always used as an argument for star power. I don't believe for a minute they have all the great evaluators or great developers of talent. That's simply garbage.They're good, but there's no way that those 80th ranked recruiting classes are actually as good as the top 5 classes Bama and UF pull in, and there's no way Chris Petersen is better at developing talent than Nick Saban. The mid majors, esepcially Boise, make their living by beating up on their conference, and then pulling an upset on a team that is completely unmotivated to play them. Switch their schedule with UT's, and they lose, on average, 3 game a year, minimum.
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3 games a year is better than what we have been losing.:machgun:
 
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This statistic should completely end this topic.........

Rank 1 USC 73.40% of 4/5*s Conf. Champ. 04, 05, 06, 07, 08 NC 2003-2004

Rank 2 Texas 67.70%4/5*s Conf. Champ 05, 09 NC 2005

Rank 3 Florida 63.81% of 4/5*s Conf. Champ 06, 08 NC 2006, 2008

Rank 4 LSU 58.74%of 4/5*s NC 2003 & 2007



Ranking is based on % of 4/5 stars....

Since rivals initial rankings in 2002....its easy to see where talent gets you...does this mean that 3* players end up riding the bench? No....but you have to string top notch talent together in consecutive classes

Alabama is the only NC team missing from the top...but they would be there if this wasn't an avg. since 2002...

check it all at Larry's Locker....BCS 4 & 5 Star Breakdowns
 
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LANEDALTON said:
You dont know they have better coaches. In fact Wilcox is from Boise and get ready to see what you saw in the bowl game versus TCU.

Weak conference or not they normally beat the teams from power conferences.
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Of course. Bama went from playing for the national title to playing some mid major in a BCS game. Utah won because Bama didn't care and assumed they didn't have to try. They lost. Big deal. Wait until they get a rematch when Bama decides it's important that they win.


This is just like the people saying Brian Kelly at Cincy recruited a bunch of underrated players and were as good as the other teams. Spark Florida's interest, and they'll beat a team like that by 6 touchdowns.
 
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KnoxVegas said:
This statistic should completely end this topic.........

Rank 1 USC 73.40% of 4/5*s Conf. Champ. 04, 05, 06, 07, 08 NC 2003-2004

Rank 2 Texas 67.70%4/5*s Conf. Champ 05, 09 NC 2005

Rank 3 Florida 63.81% of 4/5*s Conf. Champ 06, 08 NC 2006, 2008

Rank 4 LSU 58.74%of 4/5*s NC 2003 & 2007




Ranking is based on % of 4/5 stars....

Since rivals initial rankings in 2002....its easy to see where talent gets you...does this mean that 3* players end up riding the bench? No....but you have to string top notch talent together in consecutive classes

Alabama is the only NC team missing from the top...but they would be there if this wasn't an avg. since 2002...

check it all at Larry's Locker....BCS 4 & 5 Star Breakdowns
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BTW USC is constantly flirting with probation. Would rather watch a team lose 2 games honest than go undefeated on probation.
 
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LANEDALTON said:
3 games a year is better than what we have been losing.:machgun:
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It's minimum. I doubt it would be that good. Some of Gary Patterson's teams could have been up there. I doubt any of the others.

Gary Patterson could win championships in the SEC, but not with his TCU type players.
 
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What is the least talented team to win a national title in recent memory? 2002 Ohio State? Even then, they're still more talented than Boise State.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Of course. Bama went from playing for the national title to playing some mid major in a BCS game. Utah won because Bama didn't care and assumed they didn't have to try. They lost. Big deal. Wait until they get a rematch when Bama decides it's important that they win.


This is just like the people saying Brian Kelly at Cincy recruited a bunch of underrated players and were as good as the other teams. Spark Florida's interest, and they'll beat a team like that by 6 touchdowns.
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Why can't people admit the better team won. I love the SEC but if we get beat we get beat.
 
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LANEDALTON said:
Why can't people admit the better team won. I love the SEC but if we get beat we get beat.
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Because it's crap. You'll see when one of these mid major teams squeak into a title game. A Bama team that gives a damn doesn't pull a no show. And I don't love the SEC, I'm just not buying that these guys are expert recruiters while everyone else just uses rivals rankings.
 
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this is absolutley stupid.

i hate this argument about stars. many times over, the higher star ratings do pan out to mean greater athletic ability/potential--obviously there are exceptions!

on a side note, i hate to pull this card, but has anyone ever noticed there is usually a correlation between members with lesser post counts that voice this "oh, Chris Johnson was a 2 star and look now" mentality? i would love to say that there isnt, and i dont want to be that guy to judge, but truthfully, im very tired of idiots with little to no knowledge about recruiting making an account to give everyone crap about star ratings. but then again, im just a loser that typically relies on Sab and LV for info :dunno:
 
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PA Vol said:
this is absolutley stupid.

i hate this argument about stars. many times over, the higher star ratings do pan out to mean greater athletic ability/potential--obviously there are exceptions!

on a side note, i hate to pull this card, but has anyone ever noticed there is usually a correlation between members with lesser post counts that voice this "oh, Chris Johnson was a 2 star and look now" mentality? i would love to say that there isnt, and i dont want to be that guy to judge, but truthfully, im very tired of idiots with little to no knowledge about recruiting making an account to give everyone crap about star ratings. but then again, im just a loser that typically relies on Sab and LV for info :dunno:
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So because I have posted less than you I am in idiot. Hmmm, guess I will wait till I'm on post 50,000 to voice my opinion. Oh crap gotta go I have a life.
 
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