If Pearl did end up in Memphis

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Tenacious-D, you can flat out post a novel.

His questionable things in the past are taping the recruit and something that happened shortly after he got to Knoxville with a kid leaving his house and dying in a wreck. The kid was drunk at the time of the accident. Pearl denied having anything to do with the alcohol, and even the dad didn't find fault with Pearl, but others say Pearl had to be involved.

Hat just simply didn't want Pearl to be hired in the first place. Everything else just fuels his fire.
 
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voltilifall said:
i apologize for mispelling a word on an internet message board, i didn't realize that all volnation posts will now have to be spellchecked, be in proper mla format, and include a title page and works cited list. i promise not to make such an egregious error again if you don't deduct points from my final score. i felt that the content of my post was such that absolute correct spelling was not necessary to get my message across. but i can tell from your prior statements about pearl that you are an unreasonable, nitpicky, blow hard who will look for any reason to be unhappy instead of just sitting back and realizing that things just aren't that bad. pearl is the first coach in the history of the sec to finish ahead of kentucky in four straight years and while he is yet to win the big game on this level, his record is pretty damn good against coaches who have. and his system has won championships before albeit at a lower level. so before you try to run him off how about you take a minute to think about what kind of options we would have to replace him with, because i doubt a top level coach will be willing to come to a historically mid-level program where the fans will call for him to be fired after one down year.
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Exaggerate much?
 
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jakez4ut said:
so, to me, the question as fans that you have answer is simple.....are the current results good enough? I'm confident that Pearl can land his teams in the NCAA tourney on a consistent basis. I'm confident that his teams will be in the top 1/3 of the conf on a consistent basis.

and 5 years ago, that seemed like it was light years away. so some credit has to be dished out to Pearl.

but, given the way his teams have faired in the games that matter, minus the Memphis game last year (which to date could be argued the biggest game that Pearl has won in his 4 years, and it was a regular season game to boot), for $2+ Million a year, i would think winning the conf. and making it to the Sweet 16 and beyond should be where this program should be headed on a consistent basis.

I don't think Pearl is the second coming or anything, but i respect what he's done for this program.

but like a couple of you out there, i'm not confident that he's going to be the guy that puts TN in contention for anything of real significance in March.

if he goes to Memphis, he still will be the big fish in a smaller pond. if he stays at TN, i think we'll just see more of the same, and not that that's awful.....it just is what it is.

so, for you as fans, what do you really want for this program? what he's done so far is the equivalent of going to 4 straight non BCS bowls. and for a program that didn't even go bowlling that often, that's not bad, it's just not great for the money he's being paid.
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Five years ago I would have been fine with where we are now. But that was before UT went all-in on basketball: upgrading the facilities, renovating TBA, and, yes, making Pearl one of the highest-paid coaches in college basketball.

For me, it's more about value than anything else. Maybe we're a program that ought to be happy with just getting into the tournament and winning a game or two in the first weekend, but if that's the case then we shouldn't be spending like a program that expects more than that. I couldn't be happier with the way Pearl has energized Tennessee basketball -- I was a student during the Wade Houston era, after all -- but now we're paying him elite-coach money, so the bar goes up. And the more we see of Pearl's teams in the postseason, the harder it is to believe that we're getting our money's worth.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Five years ago I would have been fine with where we are now. But that was before UT went all-in on basketball: upgrading the facilities, renovating TBA, and, yes, making Pearl one of the highest-paid coaches in college basketball.

For me, it's more about value than anything else. Maybe we're a program that ought to be happy with just getting into the tournament and winning a game or two in the first weekend, but if that's the case then we shouldn't be spending like a program that expects more than that. I couldn't be happier with the way Pearl has energized Tennessee basketball -- I was a student during the Wade Houston era, after all -- but now we're paying him elite-coach money, so the bar goes up. And the more we see of Pearl's teams in the postseason, the harder it is to believe that we're getting our money's worth.
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you and I are on the same page.:thumbsup:
 
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People are saying that Bruce Pearl does not have teams that meet the expectations of a 2.3 million dollar salary. Well, he started at 1.3 million and is now at 2.3 million. Since he has been there, the average attendance of Tennessee men's basketball games has increased by 7,436 per game. You take that times the average ticket price (which I can't find but am going to assume at $20), and then multiply that by the number of home games in a season (15 last season), and that means that Bruce Pearl has brought in an extra $2,230,800 every season. Now I know that people are going to destroy this post because I dont know the average ticket price, but for that increase to be equal to his $1 million increase, the average ticket price would have to be $8.97 (which I think is low). All of this is not including the revenue from merchandise and donation increases.

I am no mathematician, but if I brought in and extra $2.2+ million in ticket sales alone.... well, I would definitely feel like I deserved a piece of that.
 
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BigHenry07 said:
People are saying that Bruce Pearl does not have teams that meet the expectations of a 2.3 million dollar salary. Well, he started at 1.3 million and is now at 2.3 million. Since he has been there, the average attendance of Tennessee men's basketball games has increased by 7,436 per game. You take that times the average ticket price (which I can't find but am going to assume at $20), and then multiply that by the number of home games in a season (15 last season), and that means that Bruce Pearl has brought in an extra $2,230,800 every season. Now I know that people are going to destroy this post because I dont know the average ticket price, but for that increase to be equal to his $1 million increase, the average ticket price would have to be $8.97 (which I think is low). All of this is not including the revenue from merchandise and donation increases.

I am no mathematician, but if I brought in and extra $2.2+ million in ticket sales alone.... well, I would definitely feel like I deserved a piece of that.
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BigHenry 07, please don't confuse the issue with logic and mathematical fact. Opinions are the only things that matter in this forum. And if the concensus is that Pearl is an overpaid turd, then you should just accept it.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
BigHenry 07, please don't confuse the issue with logic and mathematical fact. Opinions are the only things that matter in this forum. And if the concensus is that Pearl is an overpaid turd, then you should just accept it.
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help me out with concensus.
 
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Yeah, I know. I'm sorry, I just forgot that the use of numberashanuls and mathatory quackulashuns can confuze sum of us.

I just don't understand why we go from 2 sweet 16's and now, because we only won the SEC east again, went to the championship game in the SEC tourney, and finished ahead of kentucky for the fourth straight year (the only team in SEC history to do that), Bruce has to go. He's just not meeting the expectations of a quality, historically dominant basketball program.
 
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BigHenry07 said:
Yeah, I know. I'm sorry, I just forgot that the use of numberashanuls and mathatory quackulashuns can confuze sum of us.

I just don't understand why we go from 2 sweet 16's and now, because we only won the SEC east again, went to the championship game in the SEC tourney, and finished ahead of kentucky for the fourth straight year (the only team in SEC history to do that), Bruce has to go. He's just not meeting the expectations of a quality, historically dominant basketball program.
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It has more to do with him not meeting the expectations that come with his salary.

And no one said he has to go.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
BigHenry 07, please don't confuse the issue with logic and mathematical fact. Opinions are the only things that matter in this forum. And if the concensus is that Pearl is an overpaid turd, then you should just accept it.
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who said he was a turd?

you can fill stadiums any number of ways, Pearl has done that by putting a product on the court that's actually worth watching most of the time.

that's not what's been debated here.

the money he is making demands higher expectation levels than just getting in to the tourney.

that's not a bad thing, and like i've said before, he's got this program on the cusp of going to the next level.

the question still remains, how long is being on the cusp going to be good enough for a guy that makes over $2million a year? People came back because they started to win. the keep coming back because they expect a lot more than they did 5 years ago.

that's actually a compliment to Pearl. Pearl's problem now is that he actually has to deal with the ramifications of not meeting those expectations. a day he knew would come if you remember what he's been saying about expectations since he got here.
 
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emainvol said:
It has more to do with him not meeting the expectations that come with his salary.

And no one said he has to go.
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Yep - and the ticket sales argument was just dumb - no AD would think that way nor should any coach.

He's paid to coach and win games. If he wins more and has success in the NCAAT - then we pay him more. We don't pay him to rip off his shirt during a game - and lose - but still get great ticket sales due to the entertainment. People are going to come and fill the arena if the product is good - you don't need to be paid extra for certain antics.
 
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I used the term "concensus" for dramatic effect, much like I used sarcasm as a delivery tool for the rest of the message. It is obviously not the concensus that Pearl is an "overpaid turd." I just find it amuzing that there are people on here that are only happy when there is something to complain about. So, to get their fix, they complain about a perfectly respectable coach.
 
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emainvol said:
It has more to do with him not meeting the expectations that come with his salary.

And no one said he has to go.
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It's not even that he hasn't yet met the expectations that come with his salary. It's that it's becoming pretty clear that he's never very likely to.

And yes. NOBODY. HAS. SAID. THAT. PEARL. HAS. TO. GO.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It's not even that he hasn't yet met the expectations that come with his salary. It's that it's becoming pretty clear that he's never very likely to.

And yes. NOBODY. HAS. SAID. THAT. PEARL. HAS. TO. GO.
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even his biggest critics all feel (and have stated) that he has earned a couple more years
 
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Look, I was making the ticket sales argument to prove a point. Bruce Pearl came here and now:
1) the basketball team got better
2) the university got more money
3) Bruce Pearl was rewarded for doing 1 & 2

I'm not saying that he should be paid based on ticket sales, but I do think that he deserved to be rewarded for what he brought to the University.

I'm not saying that I'm cool with losing in the first round of the NCAA tourney, but I am willing to give the guy that has made UT basketball relevant again more than one season that doesn't meet the media expectations. Bruce Pearl said before the season that this team was inexperienced and would really struggle in guard play. But some fans still thought that we would go to the final four.. after losing Chris Lofton, Duke Cruz, Ramar Smith, and Jajuan Smith. Now, I thought that we would be better this season than we were, and I was disappointed. But I think that Bruce deserves a bit more credit from some people on this site.
 
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BigHenry07 said:
Look, I was making the ticket sales argument to prove a point. Bruce Pearl came here and now:
1) the basketball team got better
2) the university got more money
3) Bruce Pearl was rewarded for doing 1 & 2

I'm not saying that he should be paid based on ticket sales, but I do think that he deserved to be rewarded for what he brought to the University.

I'm not saying that I'm cool with losing in the first round of the NCAA tourney, but I am willing to give the guy that has made UT basketball relevant again more than one season that doesn't meet the media expectations. Bruce Pearl said before the season that this team was inexperienced and would really struggle in guard play. But some fans still thought that we would go to the final four.. after losing Chris Lofton, Duke Cruz, Ramar Smith, and Jajuan Smith. Now, I thought that we would be better this season than we were, and I was disappointed. But I think that Bruce deserves a bit more credit from some people on this site.
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No one said fire him or that was his only bad season he gets - we just believe he is overpaid for what he has produced so far in the tourney. And that is due to the fact Hamilton was scared and didn't want anyone to snatch him away so he gave him more than he had earned to keep him.
 
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BigHenry07 said:
Look, I was making the ticket sales argument to prove a point. Bruce Pearl came here and now:
1) the basketball team got better
2) the university got more money
3) Bruce Pearl was rewarded for doing 1 & 2

I'm not saying that he should be paid based on ticket sales, but I do think that he deserved to be rewarded for what he brought to the University.

I'm not saying that I'm cool with losing in the first round of the NCAA tourney, but I am willing to give the guy that has made UT basketball relevant again more than one season that doesn't meet the media expectations. Bruce Pearl said before the season that this team was inexperienced and would really struggle in guard play. But some fans still thought that we would go to the final four.. after losing Chris Lofton, Duke Cruz, Ramar Smith, and Jajuan Smith. Now, I thought that we would be better this season than we were, and I was disappointed. But I think that Bruce deserves a bit more credit from some people on this site.
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95% of the time a raise in college sports is based on what you accomplish on the field or court. It's unique that Pearl is currently being rewarded for the upgrades the basketball team's success built, but those upgrades shouldn't be weighed toward a raise. At this point any raise should be based on results.
 
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Good point BigHenry. Since this forum is supposed to be about IF Memphis ended up gettin Pearl, then why not ask ourselves "why would they even want Pearl?" I would not be thrilled about going after a mediocre coach that can't win in the tournament If I were Memphis. Perhaps they see something in him that a few of the malcontents on this site are missing.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Good point BigHenry. Since this forum is supposed to be about IF Memphis ended up gettin Pearl, then why not ask ourselves "why would they even want Pearl?" I would not be thrilled about going after a mediocre coach that can't win in the tournament If I were Memphis. Perhaps they see something in him that a few of the malcontents on this site are missing.
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Or perhaps they are just too stupid to hire someone better or realize no one better would want to come? Just maybe..
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
No one said fire him or that was his only bad season he gets - we just believe he is overpaid for what he has produced so far in the tourney. And that is due to the fact Hamilton was scared and didn't want anyone to snatch him away so he gave him more than he had earned to keep him.
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I mostly think that he's overpaid for somebody who does not appear to be able to coach halfcourt offense or halfcourt defense. We've had four years and a complete cycle of players, so we're getting to the point where we have a significant body of work to evaluate him as a coach. None of his UT teams have ever played played adequate halfcourt defense, and none has ever been able to do much in the halfcourt offense beyond jacking up threes.

I like Pearl's energy and I want him to succeed here, but he has clearly going to have to overhaul his approach if is ever going to live up to the expectations that UT's investment in basketball warrants.
 
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Anyone arguing that ticket sales alone are what determine a coach's salary is way off base. Winning will always sell tickets. Numerous other coaches make the same or less than CBP and have more impressive resumes. It's already been stated many times, but everyone seems to be ignoring it: THIS IS NOT A CALL FOR CBP'S JOB. He has higher expectations now due to his salary and the major investment in facilities. Maybe he can meet them, maybe he can't. Regardless, it's unacceptable for him to continue making what he does or getting more raises while he never gets the team past the sweet 16.
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SamRebel35 said:
Good point BigHenry. Since this forum is supposed to be about IF Memphis ended up gettin Pearl, then why not ask ourselves "why would they even want Pearl?" I would not be thrilled about going after a mediocre coach that can't win in the tournament If I were Memphis. Perhaps they see something in him that a few of the malcontents on this site are missing.
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Because schools simply don't make bad hires.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I mostly think that he's overpaid for somebody who does not appear to be able to coach halfcourt offense or halfcourt defense. We've had four years and a complete cycle of players, so we're getting to the point where we have a significant body of work to evaluate him as a coach. None of his UT teams have ever played played adequate halfcourt defense, and none has ever been able to do much in the halfcourt offense beyond jacking up threes.

I like Pearl's energy and I want him to succeed here, but he has clearly going to have to overhaul his approach if is ever going to live up to the expectations that UT's investment in basketball warrants.
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That too - that goes hand in hand, but it would take awhile to post all of that. But I know he still would be overpaid if he won the SECT more often and had more conference titles but still burnt out early in the NCAAT.

But hey - if he managed to make it to a couple of FFs or maybe get lucky while running a pathetic half court game - then I'd be fine to pay him that much and more. But we know that isn't going to happen with the way his offense/defense performs in the half court unless something changes.
 
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