If we lose to Vanderbilt...

[rocketskates]

We won't lose to them. Vandy is Vandy. We lost to them last year because our team was playing for a coach who was on life support and they were about as unmotivated as you can get.

 

[SALAMANDER DRAKE]

I realize I am a new contributor to VN and will not pass as one of our more intelligent posters. But I just want to know how anyone that says they are Vol fans continue to scrutinize, bash, and show no faith in our team. I will never say my team won't win a game! I DON'T CARE WHO THE HELL WE PLAY. I bleed orange. And if you think your going to change me...... I suggest maybe you possibly need to make a change. Either a better attitude or maybe a new team. I have never had the privilege to walk into Neyland and see my team play. And to think that there are those that go to a game and not think our team will win honestly disgusts me. Sorry if I offended anyone. I just don't believe in not believing. GBO

Congradulations, Welcome to VN, keep *****ing, we need more of you. 4 posts. 4 likes. You're above average.

PS We here at VN do not like the word "disgust", we here at VN, well, we love TN football, but when it comes down to it, we are all VOLS. Like you, stick around friend, you'll love it here. Next time, talk to Freak, he will give you a warmer welcoming greeting. Enjoy your stay here.

 

[volgrad500]

The coaches are doing a great job win or lose Saturday. What a moronic thread. Butch has us at the top of the recruiting rankings with some top talent committed to turning around the ship. It doesn't happen overnight.
Go VOLS!

Josh Pastner signed the #2 class in the country for the Tigers in basketball. Do you think he's a good coach?

 

[SALAMANDER DRAKE]

Josh Pastner signed the #2 class in the country for the Tigers in basketball. Do you think he's a good coach?[/QUOTE

Okay. Good post.

 

[daj2576]

Only the most determined excuse maker could even remotely consider less than six wins a "good" job by this staff. Six wins is lukewarm and does little if anything to prove these guys are a good staff.

Recruiting is a necessary component... but it isn't "coaching". Coaching shows up regardless of talent level.

I thought about you and this argument tonight when I was watching the documentary about the 1970 Bama vs. USC game. 42 to 21 was the final score and USC pulled their starters in the third quarter. Did the Bear get out coached, at home, or out-talented in that famous game? The answer is that a hall of fame coach got embarrassed by talent, not scheme. That is just a very visible representation of what talent and speed can do to a great coach with far less of both.

 

[Grizzly Vol]

Only the most determined excuse maker could even remotely consider less than six wins a "good" job by this staff. Six wins is lukewarm and does little if anything to prove these guys are a good staff.

Recruiting is a necessary component... but it isn't "coaching". Coaching shows up regardless of talent level.

Coming in to the season 7-5 seemed to be the expectation for most people I came across. Now 6-6 is within reach. So on that base, unless you were expecting an 8-4 or 9-3 record, 6 wins doesn't seem so lukewarm to me. Especially given the circumstances coming into this season. Once again just my opinion.

 

[vol_in_ar]

If we lose to Vandy, the season is a failure.
I know we played our hearts out against GA and beat South Carolina, but letting Vandy come into Neyland and continue a 2 game win streak, and knock us out of bowl contention is a failure..No other way to look at it

 

[vol_in_ar]

Coming in to the season 7-5 seemed to be the expectation for most people I came across. Now 6-6 is within reach. So on that base, unless you were expecting an 8-4 or 9-3 record, 6 wins doesn't seem so lukewarm to me. Especially given the circumstances coming into this season. Once again just my opinion.

welcome to VN...

 

[thebjd]

Agree with the overall sentiment but suspect that UT's class will be better than 4-6.

UT MUST have a coach who can win virtually every team with equal or lesser talent and very often beat those with more if he is going to bring championships to K'ville.

This is something the "everything's OK, just wait" folks seem to not get at all. UT cannot have an "average" coach. Guys like Mark Richt and Les Miles who have had pretty good runs... simply are not good enough as coaches to win in K'ville. Both have natural recruiting advantages that make them look better than they are.

UT must have an elite coach AND an elite recruiter at the helm.

Les Miles plays tough teams out of conference and wins. His players play hard every game. He is a helluva coach.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If we lose to Vandy, the season is a failure.
I know we played our hearts out against GA and beat South Carolina, but letting Vandy come into Neyland and continue a 2 game win streak, and knock us out of bowl contention is a failure..No other way to look at it

Actually there is a logical way to look at it. Regardless of what happens, this season is a success and nothing is going to change that.

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

Actually there is a logical way to look at it. Regardless of what happens, this season is a success and nothing is going to change that.

Going 5-7 certainly doesn't mean success isn't in the future for the VOLS, but it certainly does mean that this season isn't a success. How anyone could possibly say that success in a season is losing more games than you win is logical is mind boggling.

 

[vol_in_ar]

Actually there is a logical way to look at it. Regardless of what happens, this season is a success and nothing is going to change that.

obviously you have lower standards than me, and looking at the poll results, it's really sad that expectations have fallen so low..

Thank you Mike Hamilton

 

[KBVol]

I realize I am a new contributor to VN and will not pass as one of our more intelligent posters. But I just want to know how anyone that says they are Vol fans continue to scrutinize, bash, and show no faith in our team. I will never say my team won't win a game! I DON'T CARE WHO THE HELL WE PLAY. I bleed orange. And if you think your going to change me...... I suggest maybe you possibly need to make a change. Either a better attitude or maybe a new team. I have never had the privilege to walk into Neyland and see my team play. And to think that there are those that go to a game and not think our team will win honestly disgusts me. Sorry if I offended anyone. I just don't believe in not believing. GBO

Vs APSU, thought we'd win, we won
Vs WKU, thought we'd win, we won
Vs Oregon, thought we'd lose, we lost
Vs Fla, thought we'd lose, we lost
Vs So Alabama, thought we'd win, we won
Vs Georgia, thought we'd lose, we lost
Vs So Car, thought we'd lose, we won
Vs Bama, thought we'd lose, we lost
Vs Mizzou, thought we could win, we lost
Vs Auburn, thought we'd lose, we lost
Vs Vandy, I think we'll win
Vs Ky, I think we'll win

So what does this make me? A good fan half the time, a bad fan half the time? If we follow your reasoning out to its logical conclusion, then you believe UT would be beat the Denver Broncos if they played them. How about the '85 Bears?

You've never been in Neyland to watch the Vols play? What if I said that disgusts me and that maybe a real UT fan, who truly bleeds orange, would've found a way to get into Neyland. You clearly should change to pulling for a team that actually care enough about to go see them play in person, at their stadium.

I live and die with the Vols, always pulling for them on game day whether or not my common sense and or educated opinion tells me they're gonna win or not..... for the last 40 years or so. That's being a fan IMHO

 

[rocketskates]

Don't worry, we aren't gonna lose to these bums.

 

[KBVol]

I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to put words in my mouth.

If you have an instance where I declared this staff a failure for this year, please link to it. I do believe in holding coaches accountable and I have not been impressed by much of anything our staff has done since the South Carolina game, but I haven't made up my mind yet, nor have I given up on this season.

True, I probably won't declare a 6-6 season a rousing success, given the embarrassing performances we've had in blowout losses, but I don't think I could consider it a failure either, given that we would be bowl eligible with an upset win over a highly ranked SEC opponent, and that's some progress, at least.

But 5-7 with a loss to Vanderbilt? Yeah, I can say right now, I would consider that a failure. I've made no secret of that. It's public. You can see it if you click on the poll. I don't know where you think I'm trying to fool people or what clever ruse you think you've seen through. I asked a question and said where I stood. There's no rabbit in my hat.

In no way trying to put words in your mouth, just making an observation. By the way, I agree with your assessment of the staff to date. I voted no in your poll.

6-6 with blowout losses is hardly a rousing success and, quite honestly, takes some if the luster of narrowly losing to Georgia and beating SCar. 5-7 or 4-8 is an absolute failure IMO.

 

[rlstone11]

If we lose to Vanderbilt on Saturday, will you still say the coaches did a good job this season?

Simple question. Just curious where our standards are at this point.

Cant say losing to Vandy and good coaching in the same sentence.

 

[rlstone11]

I thought about you and this argument tonight when I was watching the documentary about the 1970 Bama vs. USC game. 42 to 21 was the final score and USC pulled their starters in the third quarter. Did the Bear get out coached, at home, or out-talented in that famous game? The answer is that a hall of fame coach got embarrassed by talent, not scheme. That is just a very visible representation of what talent and speed can do to a great coach with far less of both.

Bryant didnt have to coach. He signed 400 kids a year. Looks like in 1970 that hadnt got him far. Id say he got outcoached.

 

[tm3]

No amount of Chocolate Cream Cheese Icing will make the **** Cake taste good if we lose to Vandy

Our last coach, as bad as he was, had a 2-1 record against Vandy

And he beat VU his first year despite having only 65 scholarship players compared to CBJs 82, a vastly inexperienced O line, and freshmen all over the field including the first time in history that a true freshman had started at LB in the SEC.

 

[KBVol]

And he beat VU his first year despite having only 65 scholarship players compared to CBJs 82, a vastly inexperienced O line, and freshmen all over the field including the first time in history that a true freshman had started at LB in the SEC.

That was a 2 win Vandy team.

 

[photovol]

It could be looked at either way, not enough talent to compete with SEC schools or light's out recruiting for 2014? I don't see any Vol coaches receiving accolades this year, do you? Is the glass half full or half empty, good question.

 

[YankeeVol]

I'd lean more towards no

 

[tm3]

That was a 2 win Vandy team.

true.

and CDD played 5 ranked teams instead of the 7 that CBJ faced while accomplishing his identical 4-6 record after 10 games.

but with fewer players. and without a QB that he hand picked to run his system.

and Saban went 7-6 his first year, so CBJ will succeed. and Saban went 7-6 his first year, so CDD will succeed. uh-oh

these discussions go round and round because the circumstances are never exactly equivalent.

the more objective here look at the data so far and say, not looking great (like the title of this poll) -- but could get better.

those over the top with sunshine up the backside try to beat down anything that conflicts with their often fragiley based vision of where they want things to be.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

They can win out and it would just be an adequate job over the course of the season on the field. 7-9 wins would have been good to great IMO.

Anything less than 6 wins and a bowl, I would categorize as an abstract failure.

After all, that has been one of Jones' stated goal from the beginning of the season. He believed this team should make a bowl, why shouldn't the fans?

 

[KBVol]

true.

and CDD played 5 ranked teams instead of the 7 that CBJ faced while accomplishing his identical 4-6 record after 10 games.

but with fewer players. and without a QB that he hand picked to run his system.

and Saban went 7-6 his first year, so CBJ will succeed. and Saban went 7-6 his first year, so CDD will succeed. uh-oh

these discussions go round and round because the circumstances are never exactly equivalent.

the more objective here look at the data so far and say, not looking great (like the title of this poll) -- but could get better.

those over the top with sunshine up the backside try to beat down anything that conflicts with their often fragiley based vision of where they want things to be.

It all cuts both ways. The "Sunshine Pumpers" look for positives to support their side/claims/beliefs that Butch is the right guy while the "NegaVols" look for reasons to say Butch sucks and is no better than Dooley.

Think I've been kinda called both at different times

 

[jcvet33]

No way. TN hasn't lost to Vandy 2 yrs. in a row since the 20's. I will not happen tonight.