If we lose to Vanderbilt...

If we lose to Vanderbilt, will you still say the coaches did a good job this season?

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#176
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Sudden Impact said:
Have the balls to make the statement without a poll, Man up.

This is just a thread to stir the masses and mob mentality. Undercuts progress with no authority to make the change.

Accomplishes nothin except arguments that can go both ways.
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Lez tawk about nice tangs, lack puppies & rabbits...

(Lenny - just before the gunshot)
 
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jcvet33 said:
No way. TN hasn't lost to Vandy 2 yrs. in a row since the 20's. I will not happen tonight.
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Vandy hadn't beat Florida in the Swamp since the 1940's

Florida's defense is miles above ours and offense is just as lethargic
 
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KBVol said:
It all cuts both ways. The "Sunshine Pumpers" look for positives to support their side/claims/beliefs that Butch is the right guy while the "NegaVols" look for reasons to say Butch sucks and is no better than Dooley.
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agree that it cuts both ways, but not in the way you describe.

pumpers have concluded that CBJ is destined for greatness (without a lot of data so far), and won't consider the possibility of anything else.

negas have concluded that CBJ is destined to fail (without a lot of data so far), and won't consider the possibility of anything else.

in between are those who are willing to discuss both the highs and the lows as the process moves along.
 
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rlstone11 said:
Bryant didnt have to coach. He signed 400 kids a year. Looks like in 1970 that hadnt got him far. Id say he got outcoached.
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You really should watch the documentary. Or read about it. Or really understand the impact of Bryant's all white Bama team getting creamed by a fully integrated USC team. As one player said "they had black guys who were bigger, faster and stronger than us. They had white guys who were bigger, faster and stronger than us, if they had polka dot players they would have been bigger faster and stronger than us."
 
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tm3 said:
agree that it cuts both ways, but not in the way you describe.

pumpers have concluded that CBJ is destined for greatness (without a lot of data so far), and won't consider the possibility of anything else.

negas have concluded that CBJ is destined to fail (without a lot of data so far), and won't consider the possibility of anything else.

in between are those who are willing to discuss both the highs and the lows as the process moves along.
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Actually, I think you are wrong. Most of the "Negas" that you mention are just people that won't already anoint CBJ and his best staff in America as the next General Neyland. They can see through the orange blinders that many of you wear.

They live in the now and are waiting for actual signs of progress before they slurp all over another quotable slickster that "loves" Tennessee.
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Wylo said:
Actually, I think you are wrong. Most of the "Negas" that you mention are just people that won't already anoint CBJ and his best staff in America as the next General Neyland. They can see through the orange blinders that many of you wear.

They live in the now and are waiting for actual signs of progress before they slurp all over another quotable slickster that "loves" Tennessee.
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What you describe as "nega" is what I put in the middle somewhere.

IMO the "negas" have already concluded eventual failure just as the "pumpers" have concluded success. Regardless of any facts indicating otherwise.

As for me personally, no orange blinders.
 
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Wylo said:
That seems to be the way many people think. They will be full of excuses if things go south tonight.
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The best coaches in CFB now were either defensive coordinators or offensive coordinators at one time or another

Butch at least has that in his favor, being OC at two different schools before becoming a HC

He seriously needs to evaluate his coaching staff at the end of the year and say " Will this OC and DC get us to the NC"

This is TN, just making bowl games won't cut it here. It may at CMU or Cincinnati
 
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#190
This game makes me the most nervous of all games this year. This game is the the first game that we are not either expected to loose big or expected to win big. Every game we have played most people knew the outcome of the game. With the exception of USCe they have gone as planned. BUT…this game will be close and it can go either way depending on how our COACHING is against Frankin and company. I am VERY nervous because it will come down to coaching with penalties and turnovers. If Tennessee looses then it WILL be on the coaching staff. I will still be on board with CBJ but it will be EXTREMELY fragile. It will blow all theories of him coaching after a bye week, making adjustments and making progress throughout the year. Will be VERY HARD to watch this one.
 
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CiscoKid77 said:
I realize some of us (me included) will never accept a losing record. But we have won the games we were suppose to. Lost all but one that we were supposed to. Recruited better than anyone thought we would. And have a good shot at a bowl many thought we wouldn't get. If we lose Saturday life will go on. As every one in college football seems to know we lack speed. But take a deep breath and look around the SEC East. Florida is falling apart. Georgia fans are wondering if they got the right coach. We still are good enough to beat USCjr. Missouri will come back to earth "We hope". Franklin won't be around much longer. And that blue team well..... The East is up for grabs and we are stockpiling talent. Maybe just maybe we are going in the right direction. And if we are, maybe even the "TIDE" will turn in our favor. Really though I just love my team. And that is THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE FOOTBALL (Screaming Rocky Top till I die, run through that Power T, then punch them in the eye!!!) TEAM. GBO!!!!
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Fess' up...you para-plagiarized from Animal House, didn't you?
 
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davethevol said:
Outside of the refs fixing the game, we shouldn't lose this one. If we do, it comes down to coaching and lack of effort on the players. This really is a must win game on order for the program to continue with positive momentum.
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I think this one will be close. Home field will be the difference. Vandy seems to get a lot of help from the refs at home.:banghead2:
 
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CiscoKid77 said:
I realize I am a new contributor to VN and will not pass as one of our more intelligent posters. But I just want to know how anyone that says they are Vol fans continue to scrutinize, bash, and show no faith in our team. I will never say my team won't win a game! I DON'T CARE WHO THE HELL WE PLAY. I bleed orange. And if you think your going to change me...... I suggest maybe you possibly need to make a change. Either a better attitude or maybe a new team. I have never had the privilege to walk into Neyland and see my team play. And to think that there are those that go to a game and not think our team will win honestly disgusts me. Sorry if I offended anyone. I just don't believe in not believing. GBO
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I doubt changing you is a concern of anyone, though you suggest others change. Odd.
 
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CountVolcula said:
The best coaches in CFB now were either defensive coordinators or offensive coordinators at one time or another

Butch at least has that in his favor, being OC at two different schools before becoming a HC

He seriously needs to evaluate his coaching staff at the end of the year and say " Will this OC and DC get us to the NC"

This is TN, just making bowl games won't cut it here. It may at CMU or Cincinnati
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Count,

The sad part of what you just wrote is that it is okay to just make a bowl game for most of the excuse crew. They will always point to lack of instate talent and having to play Alabama and having to play the rest of the SEC. There will always be a reason for them to accept mediocrity.
 
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Wylo said:
Count,

The sad part of what you just wrote is that it is okay to just make a bowl game for most of the excuse crew. They will always point to lack of instate talent and having to play Alabama and having to play the rest of the SEC. There will always be a reason for them to accept mediocrity.
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Even more disturbing to me is that just making a bowl game may be enough for Cheek, Martin, Haslam, and Hart.
 
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jcvet33 said:
Switched to the wishbone the next yr. beat USC and went undefeated. Coaching and scheme are everything.
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Recruited JUCO running back, began integration. Switched to wishbone after sending USC tape of spring training (brilliant strategy of deception). Won in a very close game after getting curb stomped the year before. Forgive USC for not taking Bama seriously during the prep for rematch.
 
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tm3 said:
agree that it cuts both ways, but not in the way you describe.

pumpers have concluded that CBJ is destined for greatness (without a lot of data so far), and won't consider the possibility of anything else.

negas have concluded that CBJ is destined to fail (without a lot of data so far), and won't consider the possibility of anything else.

in between are those who are willing to discuss both the highs and the lows as the process moves along.
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Not the way I described it? We're saying the exact same thing.

I do think, in the long run, that Butch returns this program back to respectability and gets us very competitive. How competitive I have no idea. He has a winning track record, a 6 yr sample size that I think is valid. He's also doing all the right things off the field, most importantly recruiting as we all know and see.

I'm also very disappointed in how we've played the last 3 weeks, I don't care who we played. We weren't remotely competitive in any of the 3 and didn't look well coached at all. It was particularly disturbing given that we appeared to have great momentum and were making great strides after the Georgia and SoCar games.

I'm trying really hard to be objective about the state of our program when he got here, the positives I've seen since he's been here balanced against the awful play the last 3 weeks. Not sure where I fall on the scale.
 
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#199
I'd have to say no. Can't fault them totally for it though. Overall i'd say the season fell below expectations. Butch will get 3 to 4 years. If he has the least bit of doubt about anyone on his staff he'd be better suited parting ways sooner, as opposed switching during a year he has to start showing something. No one is getting 5 years anymore to waller around in mediocrity..
 
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