If you aren't excited about where this program is going

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#80
Excited, No, concerned, yes.....after the last 8 years, I've learned to temper my expectations and I now have the opinion that we won't truly know where the program is headed for at least a couple of years, possibly longer. I realize that coach Jones currently has the most difficult job in the SEC.
 
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Volstate said:
I don't think there are very many weak personalities on here that are going to think like you want them to. You are wasting your time and energy. You are entitled to think as you wish and others are entitled to think as they wish. Chasing every post to try and get them to think "your way" will be a time consuming and fruitless endeavor...
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So when a skeptavol posts a load about Butch's failure it's information...responding to that "information" in dispute is "chasing posts"...ok...must be cool to make up rules
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volgrl said:
Hugh Freeze had a year of coaching at Ole Miss under his belt before recruiting for 2013. He had a few moral victories and Rebels are showing major improvement on the field. I don't understand why you would expect a brand new coach (unproven in the SEC) who has just inherited an embarrassment of a program to do as well...regardless of how much he and staff were paid (for 2 months). And facilities mean jack if recruits are afraid that they could be potentially signing a letter binding them to a school that could change coaches 3 times during their college career. And, yes, Vonn Bell would have absolutely made this class impressive...or at least,very good. Not Florida good. Not Alabama good...but considering the circumstances...VERY good. And, since when is being an optimistic fan...or a realistic fan relative to being a rival. We all want UT to be top tier and an SEC championship contender....I guess some of us are seeing the silver lining and some of us are just moaning.
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Beautifully stated Volgrl. Just go easy on the reason, facts and logical conclusions while OregonVol and OskieVolum are lurking.
 
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KBVol said:
Beautifully stated Volgrl. Just go easy on the reason, facts and logical conclusions while OregonVol and OskieVolum are lurking.
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Just so I have this straight, in your mind, the notion that UT is an "embarrassment of a program" compared to Ole Miss and the idea that the signing of Vonn Bell alone would have made the 2013 class "impressive" by UT's standards, constitutes "facts". But questioning Butch Jones' recruiting prowess based on a signing class that finished 11th in the SEC, behind Vanderbilt demonstrates a deficiency of logic? Nice to know what I'm dealing with here.
 
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oregonvol said:
Just so I have this straight, in your mind, the notion that UT is an "embarrassment of a program" compared to Ole Miss and the idea that the signing of Vonn Bell alone would have made the 2013 class "impressive" by UT's standards, constitutes "facts". But questioning Butch Jones' recruiting prowess based on a signing class that finished 11th in the SEC, behind Vanderbilt demonstrates a deficiency of logic? Nice to know what I'm dealing with here.
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After having only 2 months to sign said class and still finishing top 25 nationally, I would say its acceptable given that dools burned EVERY SINGLE damn BRIDGE he could on his way to destroying the program.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
After having only 2 months to sign said class and still finishing top 25 nationally, I would say its acceptable given that dools burned EVERY SINGLE damn BRIDGE he could on his way to destroying the program.
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Do u have a clue of what u r talking about?? Do u even understand the state the program was in when Dooley took over?? If you think he destroyed the program u are just ignorant.

Also, please pt me to the list of all the bridges he burnt on the way out. I would ask u to list them all yourself but according to u its soooo long i reckon it would take to much time to type them all out. I haven't seen such a list that merits a comment like "EVERY SINGLE damn BRIDGE," so if I'm someone that needs to learn the "facts" show them to me. Thanks bud :hi:
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Do u have a clue of what u r talking about?? Do u even understand the state the program was in when Dooley took over?? If you think he destroyed the program u are just ignorant.

Also, please pt me to the list of all the bridges he burnt on the way out. I would ask u to list them all yourself but according to u its soooo long i reckon it would take to much time to type them all out. I haven't seen such a list that merits a comment like "EVERY SINGLE damn BRIDGE," so if I'm someone that needs to learn the "facts" show them to me. Thanks bud :hi:
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Put down the Chardonnay, Barbara.
 
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oregonvol said:
What is wrong with people on here? Why can't you just admit that Butch did not succeed with this year's class? Is it so hard to admit that your hero has any failures? There is a difference between being a fan and being a sycophant.

Now, we're making excuses for him by using Hugh Freeze as an example? Seriously? You do realize that Freeze's staff ("one of the best recruiting staff in the nation") makes a fraction of what UT's staff is paid, right? You realize his facilities and fanbase are a far cry from UT's? You realize that Ole Miss has about a 40 year history of being an SEC doormat?

I'm getting sick of "fans" at UT making excuses for their coach by comparing him to Ole Miss' coach or Vanderbilt's coach. You did that during the Dooley era too (and maybe that's why we had to suffer through 3 years of that loser). We should expect our coach to do better than that. We shouldn't be saying "well, if you look at this other recruiting site or if you factor in the number of players, etc. we maybe did better than Vanderbilt." It's Vanderbilt! You shouldn't have to say, "Well, we can't expect him to have the recruiting success of Ole Miss' coach, but maybe if we give him time, he'll come close." He'd better be a step above Ole Miss' coach.

You're never going to catch the Floridas and Alabamas of the world, when all you care about is lowering your expectations and coming up with subjective arguments as to why your guy might someday be better than the coaches at the worst programs in the conference.
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You got major issues dude...You do realize Jones had about a month to recruit an build relationships with recruits before signing day right??...Please tell me your not that ignorant to blame him for this past class...All he did was maintain what was there and work toward this years upcoming class...Stomp your feet and throw a fit all you want but the bottom line is so far the man is doing a fine job recruiting the 2014 class.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Do u have a clue of what u r talking about?? Do u even understand the state the program was in when Dooley took over?? If you think he destroyed the program u are just ignorant.

Also, please pt me to the list of all the bridges he burnt on the way out. I would ask u to list them all yourself but according to u its soooo long i reckon it would take to much time to type them all out. I haven't seen such a list that merits a comment like "EVERY SINGLE damn BRIDGE," so if I'm someone that needs to learn the "facts" show them to me. Thanks bud :hi:
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We've pointed the bridges out to you over and over again (highschool coaches, former players, recruits that didnt sign, recruits that have signed with Butch but wouldnt have with Dools) yet you come back with the same old tired, delusional come back... "Dooley inherited the worst shambles of a program in the history of mankind and thanks to his incredible hall of fame worthy work, CBJ now inherits a roster stocked full of NFL talent that he should challenge for the the SEC title, the National Championship, the SuperBowl and the damn World Cup...." We got it. You love u some Dooley.

Well here's one more bridge chief....from SI article on Bray......

. It also didn’t help that Bray lost his biggest sponsor at Tennessee in Kiffin, and there are those who believe Dooley has scapegoated him to some degree with NFL teams, in an effort to explain his own coaching failures with the Vols.

Won't be on Tyler's Christmas card list anytime soon. Bridge burned to a heap of ashes.

Really no reason for your response. I could literally write it myself.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Do u have a clue of what u r talking about?? Do u even understand the state the program was in when Dooley took over?? If you think he destroyed the program u are just ignorant.

Also, please pt me to the list of all the bridges he burnt on the way out. I would ask u to list them all yourself but according to u its soooo long i reckon it would take to much time to type them all out. I haven't seen such a list that merits a comment like "EVERY SINGLE damn BRIDGE," so if I'm someone that needs to learn the "facts" show them to me. Thanks bud :hi:
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We're not going down this road again Oskie...keep demanding videotaped depositions from traumatized high school coaches with their faces and voices altered for their protection...or you could listen to Vonn Bell's coach as one that went on record...Dave Hooker claims to have spoken to coaches throughout the state with similar disgruntled relationships...I believe him...you don't...this is how it works...We are going to accept these accounts as gospel and bash Dooley accordingly...you're going to demand your usual unreasonable proof....we're going to bash Dooley twice as hard...you'll get more snarkey...then we go after Barbara (not really)...accept because you have no choice...yours truly...The Breakfast Club
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mdrew27 said:
I just want to see some W's.
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Of course you do. The massive lift in team morale, and buying into the new system, coupled with the recruiting juggernaut aren't enough to provide the spark you desire. Besides his past accomplishments don't mean anything in the SEC.
 
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Aesius said:
In-game coaching was his problem? How'd you come up with that?

If anything, it seems like the expectation around here was the opposite. Coaching was solid, but recruiting was suspect. And obviously, he's knocked it out of the park with the latter.
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It's safe to say that about ANY coach that lost to Dooley. But, I think most are just cautiously optimistic with good reason.

Someone didn't think Kiffin had passion? He has enthusiasm and passion, it was the whole no morals and inability to tell the truth that kinda reared its head.
 
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Everybody was excited about Kiffin,even though nobody ever heard of him. Everybody was excited about Dooley,even though nobody ever heard of him. The reason we've heard of Jones is that he got beat by Dooley.
Let's all get excited again for no reason.
 
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secking said:
It's safe to say that about ANY coach that lost to Dooley. But, I think most are just cautiously optimistic with good reason.

Someone didn't think Kiffin had passion? He has enthusiasm and passion, it was the whole no morals and inability to tell the truth that kinda reared its head.
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I'm sorry. That is a stupid statement. It sounds good on VN, where there is a lot of CDD hate. But it's irrational, illogical and ridiculous.

Talent differential can overcome coaching incompetence. That's what you saw in the UT/Cinci game. You saw too many offensive weapons for a mid-major school to scheme against.
 
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