‘23 IL WR Carnell Tate (Ohio State commit)

[UT/USM_081302]

Sounds like the bargaining stage, a few more steps before acceptance

Blow-a-hoe state fans need spare the “integrity speech” after they hired Sub-Urban Meyer who coached Aaron Hernandez and employed Zach Smith And tried to cover for him. This is all before his infidelities as the Jaguars head coach. And let’s not forget the flagrant flaunting of pay to play perks from Terrell Pryor and many others. Yes, such a model program they run in Columbus. What a joke. Their mascot is a flower, ‘nuff said.

 

[SoilVol]

Pruitt offense: "This sucks! Speed it up! So boring! We are terrible!"
Heupel offense: "This is too much fun! Too much scoring! Slow it down! I want 90s Nebraska/10s Bama slow-*ss, boring-*ss, up-the-middle-with-the-occasional-pass offense! An offense that can do that is much better than an offense that scores more, gets more yards, and finishes Top 10 in every statistical category."

I can't with some of y'all some times.

Lets get Tate and beat Florida 70-52 in the swamp.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Pruitt offense: "This sucks! Speed it up! So boring! We are terrible!"
Heupel offense: "This is too much fun! Too much scoring! Slow it down! I want 90s Nebraska/10s Bama slow-*ss, boring-*ss, up-the-middle-with-the-occasional-pass offense! An offense that can do that is much better than an offense that scores more, gets more yards, and finishes Top 10 in every statistical category."

I can't with some of y'all some times.

Lets get Tate and beat Florida 70-52 in the swamp.

i was in the ga dome in 07. i haven't seen us do anything meaningful since the circle drill at half time since.

it's time

 

[Blake25p]

Stating the obvious but this is the WR we need to throw the bag at.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

Stating the obvious but this is the WR we need to throw the bag at.

A commit from Tate would explode recruiting hence forth. JMO.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

i was in the ga dome in 07. i haven't seen us do anything meaningful since the circle drill at half time since.

it's time

Beating Florida at home in 2016 was much more meaningful.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Stating the obvious but this is the WR we need to throw the bag at.

Eh depends on how big of a bad he thinks he is worth. If he is wanting close to what Kasper wanted or what Nico got then he can go elsewhere.

 

[De La Cloobs]

Just because he wants to do that doesn't make it "right ". Or smart. It was the difference between 10-3 and 7-6...

The defense actually did get other teams off thr field at good percentage until the offense would just sputter mid-game. Just look at the scoring summary for all 3 of those games (possesion by possession)

When you control the clock you give your defense a rest and give the other team LESS time to score. This worked for Nebraska in the 90s and Alabama in the 2010's but it's not good enough for us?

You or anyone else don't have to agree with me, but please don't make excuses for an obvious weakness in his philosophy.
He needs to improve his philosophy AND his variety. It's a very user friendly offense- meaning easy to learn and execute UNTIL the defense catches on. And that literally happend against every Top 25 opponent we played last season.
Great we get up 21-0, but then don't score to the end of the half?? Go in half 24-17 ????
Trail 31-27 going into the fourth....and then you see the other team has double TOP because we gave the ball back with a bunch of quick empty possessions.

Just look at the game summaries of those games. That in itself is silly to have to do that being that we all watched the games...

The game has changed and is continuing to change. The bamas and Nebraska's of old wouldn't make it nowadays.

Time of possession isn't as important when your defensive philosophy is aggression and turnovers. It was lack of depth that killed us more than anything on defense.

Were we tired on defense? Yes. But our guys weren't the ones who were so gassed that they had to fake an injuries just to get a breather every new set of downs.

The lightning offense is the future and one of the beauties of it is how devastating it is to the stamina of opposing defenses.

Why would Heupel need to change philosophy when he outperformed nearly every metric and expectation?

 

[drylo]

How you feeling about Carnell Tate?
He has become way more realistic in the last week imo- AP

 

[SweetasSoda]

I agree but even Heupel has said we have to be able to move the ball when things do slow down. We have to be able to run it better in short yardage situations. You don’t rest on your laurels we have to continue to evolve and improve. As good as our offense was it had room for improvement, we had some times last year when we didn’t convert short distances after picking up 7-8 yards on first down. Scoring in the redzone and short yardage situations. I am still not a fan of the shotgun inside the 1 yard line. But Heupel will get it straighten out. We had a great year on offense but we can’t ignore things that will only make us better. I expect better O-Line play overall this year and a tougher running game. GBO!

I didn’t say he thought the offense was perfect or perfectly executed, or that he should not try to improve weaknesses. Was simply saying his philosophy is to score a lot and to score quickly. He’s not concerned with time of possession. We may lose some games by playing like this. We may also win some we shouldn’t. I am not going to over analyze every game. Just going to enjoy the show.

 

[SweetasSoda]

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This creeps me out but also makes me laugh.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Beating Florida at home in 2016 was much more meaningful.

Yes I was there, it was fun. Not nearly as meaningful as playing for SECC's to me.

 

[sjt18]

Biggest hole:

Sacks. Not sure what sack rate is, probably not terrible, but total sacks we are near the bottom. Don't have access to sack rate, but I'd imagine we're closer to just average.

Yeah. It may be semantics but I took LittleVol's tone to be negative. IIRC, he is somewhat negative toward Heupel.

I didn't calculate it but I suspect UT is near the bottom on sacks/attempt too. I don't deem it a "hole" for a couple of reasons. One, UT was great at the "big play"... meaning they traded holding the ball and taking a few more sacks for some of those bombs they hit. Two, UT was still very good compared to the SEC in 3rd down conversions. Versus the SEC, UT was 4th behind Bama, MSU, and UK.... ahead of UGA and Ole Miss by a fairly significant margin.

Beyond that, rushing YPC is 34th. Sacks play a part in that too. Not a big hole, but room for improvement.

Overall we're 17th in YPP. 24th in 3rd down%. 30th in RZ TD%. 13th in points per play.

Most importantly, we were 17th in points per possession.

I'm pretty confident in saying we have a top-20 caliber offense (unadjusted for SoS), that's out of 130 teams...with a top notch schedule. We have room for improvement. I would say sacks are a "hole". Beyond that, we're very solid-to-great across the board. Jmo

Nothing to disagree with there except I generally look at the Vs SEC numbers a little more than national. For instance, the Vols were 7th nationally in scoring. But if they had played the schedules of WKU, Pitt, WFU, or Coastal Carolina... I'm pretty sure they would be closer to #1.

I think there is room for improvement. But a "hole" to me indicates something you fail to do. Something you can't do that you are trying to do.

The bottom 6 rushing O's in the SEC in order were Auburn, Bama, USCe, Vandy, LSU, and MSU. I think you'd be fairly accurate in saying that Bama and MSU decided to ride their passing game. I think you'd be accurate in saying that the inability to run the ball represents "holes" in the performance of Auburn, Vandy, USCe, and LSU.

 

[VolNash17]

Pruitt offense: "This sucks! Speed it up! So boring! We are terrible!"
Heupel offense: "This is too much fun! Too much scoring! Slow it down! I want 90s Nebraska/10s Bama slow-*ss, boring-*ss, up-the-middle-with-the-occasional-pass offense! An offense that can do that is much better than an offense that scores more, gets more yards, and finishes Top 10 in every statistical category."

I can't with some of y'all some times.

Lets get Tate and beat Florida 70-52 in the swamp.

I wouldn’t call Tom Osborne’s offense “boring” top 10 in the country in PPG for around 17 seasons straight including FBS record 53 PPG in 1995. They ran a unique I formation system with options about 10-15% of the time. System most closest to it would be Chip Kelly’s run first spread option attack at Oregon

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

I didn’t say he thought the offense was perfect or perfectly executed, or that he should not try to improve weaknesses. Was simply saying his philosophy is to score a lot and to score quickly. He’s not concerned with time of possession. We may lose some games by playing like this. We may also win some we shouldn’t. I am not going to over analyze every game. Just going to enjoy the show.

Just saying Bama has figured out how to spread you out and they can also slow it down and go power when needed. I want to score all can. The game always evolves defenses are adjusting, scoring actually came down some last year nationally. It is always going to be important to have a strong LOS, I want us us too be able to pass and run and run and pass. For the long haul you need to be able to do both. On D, you have to be able to get after the quarterback and make him uncomfortable. You have to be good against the run and create turnovers. The sec is the biggest and fastest, you can’t be a all pass team with no physical run game and win this league, sooner or later the good D will expose your 1 dimensional style of play. The same as it’s hard to win if you can’t throw at all, good defenses will just load the box. Now teams are spreading teams out with passing then pounding them with hard power runs up the gut. Smaller linebackers trying to tackle a big power back. It’s all about the mismatch. That is Heupel’s philosophy, it’s not all run or all pass it’s being able to spread you out and find the best mismatch. Sometimes it will be the run and sometimes it will be the pass. We should be better upfront and do better in short yardage situations. The little things add up to big things. Scoring 6 in the redzone and extending drives on short yardage plays. On D learning how to get off the field on 3rd down. GBO!

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

I wouldn’t call Tom Osborne’s offense “boring” top 10 in the country in PPG for around 17 seasons straight including FBS record 53 PPG in 1995. They ran a unique I formation system with options about 10-15% of the time. System most closest to it would be Chip Kelly’s run first spread option attack at Oregon

Yeah that boring offense put up 62 points against Florida in route to a pure beat down. The literally ran over and around them. GBO! I love a 28-24 game just as much as a 52-48 game. Great defense is fun to watch too if you truly appreciate good football games. I have seen good exciting 17-13 games just like I have seen exciting 31-30 games. Defenses have had rules designed against them for years but through it all defense is still and will continue to hang tough! Here’s to the Vols D in the coming years making plays and memories! Offense and Defense, in the SEC you need both to be able to make plays for you. Nothing is easy!!!! Get ready Big Orange, time to go work and back up the talk and take it to the field in the fall! GBO!

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

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Am I the only one who's noticed the dog turning towards the camera, as if asking for anyone to help, at the exact moment AP winks?

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Another thing these guys need to consider about NIL is that Spyre will not be the only way you can make money. You can do autograph signings. Sell Shirsey's, get sponsored by local businesses etc.

Tate may not get a deal like Nico's, but it'll be significant and he will make more money outside of that.

 

[Geaux_Vols]

Another thing these guys need to consider about NIL is that Spyre will not be the only way you can make money. You can do autograph signings. Sell Shirsey's, get sponsored by local businesses etc.

Tate may not get a deal like Nico's, but it'll be significant and he will make more money outside of that.

Spyre is purchasing their NIL rights. Any autograph, sponsorship, apparel deals will be done through spyre.

Doing any of that without spyre getting their cut is almost certainly breach of contract.

 

[VolByLaw]

Still feel good about Tate?

Vols are at the top, but I'm not ready to say he ends up at Tennessee.

-Hubbs

 

[VolByLaw]

@Austin_Price How are you feeling about Chandavian Bradley and Carnell Tate?

Tate is a June decision imo. Vols continue to trend.

-AP

 

[Ericvol2096]

June is so far! Put on more steam Nico and Vols!

 

[Orangeredblooded]

The joy some find is perplexing but not surprising.

 

[JRVOL11]

man i hope we get tate on campus one more time

 

[Ericvol2096]

From Athletic article on NIL market.
Elsewhere, Ohio State has long been considered the favorite for five-star 2023 receiver Carnell Tate from IMG Academy in Florida, but two weekends ago he visited Tennessee, and late last week, On3 revised its prediction for Tate to Tennessee. The co-president of Spyre Sports, a for-profit collective associated with Tennessee, told The Athletic in February, “We’re prepared to invest a substantial amount of resources into the 2023 recruiting class.” A co-founder of The Foundation, Ohio State’s recently announced non-profit NIL fund, recently said on a Bucknuts podcast, “We can’t make an official deal with a recruit.”

Let’s Fing Go!