‘23 IL WR Carnell Tate (Ohio State commit)

[sjt18]

Honestly i think stats cover up the truth.

Our offense has holes. It's not the 9th best offense. Not even the top 15 in my opinion.

With that said, still pleased about where we're going.

First, which offense doesn't have "holes" of some sort?

Second, what "holes" are you talking about that are worse by comparison to anyone below #9?

Lastly, UT was top 4 in the SEC in:
- Rushing
- Rushing vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Rushing TD's
- Rushing TD's vs the SEC/FBS

- Rushing ypc vs the SEC/P5

- Scoring
- Scoring vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Passing
- Passing vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- QBR
- QBR vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- INT's thrown
- INT's thrown vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- TD passes
- TD passes vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Yds per pass attempt
- Yds per pass attempt vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Plays from scrimmage longer than 30/40/50/60/70/80/90 yds
- Rushing plays longer than 10/20/40/50/60/70/80/90 yds
- Passing plays longer than 30/40/50/60/70 yds

- 3rd down conversions vs the SEC/FBS (5th vs P5 and all opponents)



If the O can produce like that and have "holes"... then long live the holes.

 

[Southeastern VFL]

IMO NIL couldn’t be timed any better in history for UT. The last 15 years has a huge fan base hungry for a resurgence to the point where average joe fan is willing to pump their hard earned money into Spyre in hopes of getting that next 5*. Some of these recent powers are going to struggle for a few years with it because the fans are taking it for granted that they’ll keep pulling these big time players because of recent success. They haven’t fully grasped the new reality of college football yet. Vols are a psycho, hungry fan base that have and we’re lucky to have Spyre to make it easy for us. Donate ppl.

Yep and Tennessee Boosters have been wait for years to do it legally. If we did pay Nico $8 mil I can promise you that some booster is smiling. This has been happening for years and now there is a way for them to cont. to do it and be in the clear. Spyre will take care of the work at the table and the boosters will make sure they are in the position to do so.

 

[m1al]

Sounds like the bargaining stage, a few more steps before acceptance

How an OSU fan makes himself look like a complete dumbass in one easy sentence...

 

[LeBleu]

there was his exact quote. So looks like we'll have black and smokey grey unis this year.

That's right ... Also the was from the conversation crushing all dreams of the big #'s on the unis coming back.

 

[thunder5]

Butt-Hurt feelings.

Fyp

 

[LittleVol]

First, which offense doesn't have "holes" of some sort?

Second, what "holes" are you talking about that are worse by comparison to anyone below #9?

Lastly, UT was top 4 in the SEC in:
- Rushing
- Rushing vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Rushing TD's
- Rushing TD's vs the SEC/FBS

- Rushing ypc vs the SEC/P5

- Scoring
- Scoring vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Passing
- Passing vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- QBR
- QBR vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- INT's thrown
- INT's thrown vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- TD passes
- TD passes vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Yds per pass attempt
- Yds per pass attempt vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Plays from scrimmage longer than 30/40/50/60/70/80/90 yds
- Rushing plays longer than 10/20/40/50/60/70/80/90 yds
- Passing plays longer than 30/40/50/60/70 yds

- 3rd down conversions vs the SEC/FBS (5th vs P5 and all opponents)



If the O can produce like that and have "holes"... then long live the holes.

So you don't believe in improvement?

You wrote all that, and already said I LIKE THE DIRECTION that we're going.

Stop trying to argue all the time.

 

[LittleVol]

Just out of curiosity, what are your criteria other than total yards or total points?

Time of possession- letting the defense rest.
Scoring efficiency- with less possessions scoring the same amount.

Id rather us double our offensive TOP and score 3 less ppg. Because that would probably lead to our defense gaining a +7 pg.

So I'd rather us average 32 and give up 19
Than scoring 35 and giving up 26.

Heupel is total control of that.
Purdue, and Pitt were wins. Ole Miss should have been.

We dropped 3 games because our inconsistent offense coupled with a thin defense.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Time of possession- letting the defense rest.
Scoring efficiency- with less possessions scoring the same amount.

Id rather us double our offensive TOP and score 3 less ppg. Because that would probably lead to our defense gaining a +7 pg.

So I'd rather us average 32 and give up 19
Than scoring 35 and giving up 26.

Heupel is total control of that.
Purdue, and Pitt were wins. Ole Miss should have been.

We dropped 3 games because our inconsistent offense coupled with a thin defense.

Heupel is not into time of possession and letting the defense rest. The coaches have said if the defense wants to get off the field then stop the other team. The plan is to continue getting better players so the team is more efficient at what the coaches want to do. No need in us trying to change them into what we want.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Considering the personnel Heupel inherited I’m not going to complain ab the offense sometimes being “inconsistent”. He worked a damn miracle. Just wait until the roster is loaded and it’s gonna happen sooner than you think on that side.

We didn’t even show half the playbook and Golesh spoke about it. No RB screen game outside of the UF game, no short crosser stuff like the pass Calloway dropped. And there is still the TEs. That will get better in time. No way I can complain about the offense.

We left 3 wins out there in yr 1 but it will get a lot better just by having the defense improve to just being “solid.”

 

[StoVol]

Considering the personnel Heupel inherited I’m not going to complain ab the offense sometimes being “inconsistent”. He worked a damn miracle. Just wait until the roster is loaded and it’s gonna happen sooner than you think on that side.

We didn’t even show half the playbook and Golesh spoke about it. No RB screen game outside of the UF game, no short crosser stuff like the pass Calloway dropped. And there is still the TEs. That will get better in time. No way I can complain about the offense.

We left 3 wins out there in yr 1 but it will get a lot better just by having the defense improve to just being “solid.”

We played with about 45 players last year so we were under the gun with no depth whatsoever, more players should help a little you'd think

 

[LittleVol]

Heupel is not into time of possession and letting the defense rest. The coaches have said if the defense wants to get off the field then stop the other team. The plan is to continue getting better players so the team is more efficient at what the coaches want to do. No need in us trying to change them into what we want.

Just because he wants to do that doesn't make it "right ". Or smart. It was the difference between 10-3 and 7-6...

The defense actually did get other teams off thr field at good percentage until the offense would just sputter mid-game. Just look at the scoring summary for all 3 of those games (possesion by possession)

When you control the clock you give your defense a rest and give the other team LESS time to score. This worked for Nebraska in the 90s and Alabama in the 2010's but it's not good enough for us?

You or anyone else don't have to agree with me, but please don't make excuses for an obvious weakness in his philosophy.
He needs to improve his philosophy AND his variety. It's a very user friendly offense- meaning easy to learn and execute UNTIL the defense catches on. And that literally happend against every Top 25 opponent we played last season.
Great we get up 21-0, but then don't score to the end of the half?? Go in half 24-17 ????
Trail 31-27 going into the fourth....and then you see the other team has double TOP because we gave the ball back with a bunch of quick empty possessions.

Just look at the game summaries of those games. That in itself is silly to have to do that being that we all watched the games...

 

[StoVol]

Just because he wants to do that doesn't make it "right ". Or smart. It was the difference between 10-3 and 7-6...

The defense actually did get other teams off thr field at good percentage until the offense would just sputter mid-game. Just look at the scoring summary for all 3 of those games (possesion by possession)

When you control the clock you give your defense a rest and give the other team LESS time to score. This worked for Nebraska in the 90s and Alabama in the 2010's but it's not good enough for us?

You or anyone else don't have to agree with me, but please don't make excuses for an obvious weakness in his philosophy.
He needs to improve his philosophy AND his variety. It's a very user friendly offense- meaning easy to learn and execute UNTIL the defense catches on. And that literally happend against every Top 25 opponent we played last season.
Great we get up 21-0, but then don't score to the end of the half?? Go in half 24-17 ????
Trail 31-27 going into the fourth....and then you see the other team has double TOP because we gave the ball back with a bunch of quick empty possessions.

Just look at the game summaries of those games. That in itself is silly to have to do that being that we all watched the games...

Part of the strategy is probability with increased number of plays , more chances to score, also the defense is fatigued at the end with more plays, further increasing probability of a comeback or score if needed

Our defense is tired. But our strategy is to exhaust their defense as well

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Heupel is not into time of possession and letting the defense rest. The coaches have said if the defense wants to get off the field then stop the other team. The plan is to continue getting better players so the team is more efficient at what the coaches want to do. No need in us trying to change them into what we want.

I agree but even Heupel has said we have to be able to move the ball when things do slow down. We have to be able to run it better in short yardage situations. You don’t rest on your laurels we have to continue to evolve and improve. As good as our offense was it had room for improvement, we had some times last year when we didn’t convert short distances after picking up 7-8 yards on first down. Scoring in the redzone and short yardage situations. I am still not a fan of the shotgun inside the 1 yard line. But Heupel will get it straighten out. We had a great year on offense but we can’t ignore things that will only make us better. I expect better O-Line play overall this year and a tougher running game. GBO!

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

I agree but even Heupel has said we have to be able to move the ball when things do slow down. We have to be able to run it better in short yardage situations. You don’t rest on your laurels we have to continue to evolve and improve. As good as our offense was it had room for improvement, we had some times last year when we didn’t convert short distances after picking up 7-8 yards on first down. Scoring in the redzone and short yardage situations. I am still not a fan of the shotgun inside the 1 yard line. But Heupel will get it straighten out. We had a great year on offense but we can’t ignore things that will only make us better. I expect better O-Line play overall this year and a tougher running game. GBO!

Was listening to Ainge's show the other week and he said it appeared that they were working on those things. Being able to execute when things slow down. Part of the reason why the defense did so well in the first scrimmage.

 

[Orange_Crush]

LOL at the argument that our offensive stats mislead, and our offense isn't as good as it looks because...our defense.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Honestly i think stats cover up the truth.

Our offense has holes. It's not the 9th best offense. Not even the top 15 in my opinion.

With that said, still pleased about where we're going.

So you don't believe in improvement?

You wrote all that, and already said I LIKE THE DIRECTION that we're going.

Stop trying to argue all the time.

That improvement would lie in the numbers 1-8.

You haven't argued that UT's offense is less than the numbers indicate, or not as effective as statistics show. You've actually argued that it's every bit as good as stats indicate. As a matter of fact, the argument morphed into your asking for a LESS effective offense if it meant that it was easier on the defense.

You're not really making arguments about the offense as much as you're asking for overall gameplans from decades gone by.

Just because he wants to do that doesn't make it "right ". Or smart. It was the difference between 10-3 and 7-6...

The defense actually did get other teams off thr field at good percentage until the offense would just sputter mid-game. Just look at the scoring summary for all 3 of those games (possesion by possession)

When you control the clock you give your defense a rest and give the other team LESS time to score. This worked for Nebraska in the 90s and Alabama in the 2010's but it's not good enough for us?

You or anyone else don't have to agree with me, but please don't make excuses for an obvious weakness in his philosophy.
He needs to improve his philosophy AND his variety. It's a very user friendly offense- meaning easy to learn and execute UNTIL the defense catches on. And that literally happend against every Top 25 opponent we played last season.
Great we get up 21-0, but then don't score to the end of the half?? Go in half 24-17 ????
Trail 31-27 going into the fourth....and then you see the other team has double TOP because we gave the ball back with a bunch of quick empty possessions.

Just look at the game summaries of those games. That in itself is silly to have to do that being that we all watched the games...

 

[AresTheVol]

How you feeling about Carnell Tate?
He has become way more realistic in the last week imo- AP

 

[Weezer]

Hopefully Tate picks us. It'll be disappointing if he does not. But still, WR is my position of least concern with this staff. If the top guys don't want to come here and put up monster stats, we'll find WRs that do. I feel fairly confident of that.

 

[BelieveTheHeup93]

Hopefully Tate picks us. It'll be disappointing if he does not. But still, WR is my position of least concern with this staff. If the top guys don't want to come here and put up monster stats, we'll find WRs that do. I feel fairly confident of that.

Tate, Williams, Hyatt, and Spillman and Seldon as ATHs would still be a nice haul

 

[Jimmy Football]

How you feeling about Carnell Tate?
He has become way more realistic in the last week imo- AP

As long as he doesn’t reclassify, we’re golden.

 

[sjt18]

So you don't believe in improvement?

Yes. I also don't believe you can act as if there are major problems with what the O did last year. Improve? Absolutely. "Holes"... no, not really.

Stop trying to argue all the time.

You're the one who claimed the O had "holes". That was pretty "argumentative". Seems like I'm not alone in taking it that way.

I posted a pretty long string of stats showing that while there are some places that can improve... there aren't gaping "holes".

 

[Devo182]

First, which offense doesn't have "holes" of some sort?

Second, what "holes" are you talking about that are worse by comparison to anyone below #9?

Lastly, UT was top 4 in the SEC in:
- Rushing
- Rushing vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Rushing TD's
- Rushing TD's vs the SEC/FBS

- Rushing ypc vs the SEC/P5

- Scoring
- Scoring vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Passing
- Passing vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- QBR
- QBR vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- INT's thrown
- INT's thrown vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- TD passes
- TD passes vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Yds per pass attempt
- Yds per pass attempt vs the SEC/FBS/P5

- Plays from scrimmage longer than 30/40/50/60/70/80/90 yds
- Rushing plays longer than 10/20/40/50/60/70/80/90 yds
- Passing plays longer than 30/40/50/60/70 yds

- 3rd down conversions vs the SEC/FBS (5th vs P5 and all opponents)



If the O can produce like that and have "holes"... then long live the holes.

Biggest hole:

Sacks. Not sure what sack rate is, probably not terrible, but total sacks we are near the bottom. Don't have access to sack rate, but I'd imagine we're closer to just average.

Beyond that, rushing YPC is 34th. Sacks play a part in that too. Not a big hole, but room for improvement.

Overall we're 17th in YPP. 24th in 3rd down%. 30th in RZ TD%. 13th in points per play.

Most importantly, we were 17th in points per possession.

I'm pretty confident in saying we have a top-20 caliber offense (unadjusted for SoS), that's out of 130 teams...with a top notch schedule. We have room for improvement. I would say sacks are a "hole". Beyond that, we're very solid-to-great across the board. Jmo

 

[Jackcrevol]

Biggest hole:

Sacks. Not sure what sack rate is, probably not terrible, but total sacks we are near the bottom. Don't have access to sack rate, but I'd imagine we're closer to just average.

Beyond that, rushing YPC is 34th. Sacks play a part in that too. Not a big hole, but room for improvement.

Overall we're 17th in YPP. 24th in 3rd down%. 30th in RZ TD%. 13th in points per play.

Most importantly, we were 17th in points per possession.

I'm pretty confident in saying we have a top-20 caliber offense (unadjusted for SoS), that's out of 130 teams...with a top notch schedule. We have room for improvement. I would say sacks are a "hole". Beyond that, we're very solid-to-great across the board. Jmo

Just started reading 'big hole..sacks.'...

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

That improvement would lie in the numbers 1-8.

You haven't argued that UT's offense is less than the numbers indicate, or not as effective as statistics show. You've actually argued that it's every bit as good as stats indicate. As a matter of fact, the argument morphed into your asking for a LESS effective offense if it meant that it was easier on the defense.

You're not really making arguments about the offense as much as you're asking for overall gameplans from decades gone by.

We'll be better than 9th next year. Can't wait.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Now back to Carnell Tate updates….,,,