Illegal drugs or prescription drugs: Which is the bigger menace to the US of A?

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DinkinFlicka said:
It's not an issue of thick skin when you're taking a completely irrelevant joke I made months ago and trying to produce irony from an actual point I was making in this thread. I just thought it was presumptuous and foolish on your part... perhaps rude was the wrong choice of words.

Regardless, you still can't draw a valid comparison from me flipping one scrip when I was 20 years old to a doctor doing it dozens of times each day.

FTR, I understand that you're pretty anti-drug on all fronts, but it in no way means you're incapable of having a rational perspective on this particular subject. I think I've made it clear that I think prescription narcotics (and the millions of doctors who over-prescribe them) are a growing social problem.
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I fail to see how you can make a distinction. You received a prescription after a legitimate doctor visit I presume) and sold the drugs. The personal responsibility is what I'm harping on most of the time because people who think similarly to yourself lack it. I am willing to bet that most people have gotten a prescription they didnt want or need and simply didnt get it filled. It really is as simple as "just say no".

To your other point regarding my feelings on drugs, I pretty much agree that mj is the least harmful and believe we are smart enough to regulate it. My feelings on this have changed due to the synthetic mj that has grown popular and is much more dangerous imo.
 
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tim said:
I fail to see how you can make a distinction. You received a prescription after a legitimate doctor visit I presume) and sold the drugs. The personal responsibility is what I'm harping on most of the time because people who think similarly to yourself lack it. I am willing to bet that most people have gotten a prescription they didnt want or need and simply didnt get it filled. It really is as simple as "just say no".

To your other point regarding my feelings on drugs, I pretty much agree that mj is the least harmful and believe we are smart enough to regulate it. My feelings on this have changed due to the synthetic mj that has grown popular and is much more dangerous imo.
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I'll just go back to the point that my classmates knew exactly what they were getting into, which is hardly the case with a large number of patients receiving prescriptions. I don't see how personal responsibility is a factor with that being the case. I also did it for a direct profit... what reasons do doctors have?

Now, when you say synthetic... are you talking about the "legal" stuff or the hydroponic mj?
 
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Hydro is not synthetic. Im talking about the K2 or K3 type.

And doctors also get kick backs for rx drugs.
 
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tim said:
Hydro is not synthetic. Im talking about the K2 or K3 type.

And doctors also get kick backs for rx drugs.
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I'm aware of that, but you'd be surprised how many confuse the two. Yeah, the K2 stuff is bad.

Not all docs get those perks, btw.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I'm aware of that, but you'd be surprised how many confuse the two. Yeah, the K2 stuff is bad.

Not all docs get those perks, btw.
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Why are you continuing to go back and forth with him? You've made your point, he just wants to be combative. Everybody sees that.
 
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doctors suck.

short story. went to eleven schools in eleven years. dad was transfered to ohio my junior year and the month we get their my mom's mom is diagnosed with cancer. following month her dad. grandmother moves in with us and is dying. grandfather dies two days before thanksgiving. grandmother dies week of valentines day. my mom almost has a break down and i drop out of school because at 17 the whole thing was just too much.

i go to a doctor and tell him i'm depressed. he labels me bi-polar. stuck with the label for 12 years until i get a lawyer to fix the situation. everytime i tried to tell him i didnt fit the bill he kept saying i was and always had a drug he said i needed.

doctors can be a very dangerous thing. they will seize a bad moment to get you on something.
 
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Outbreak of kidney failure in Wyoming linked to "Spice" - Yahoo! News

Spice is sometimes sold as "legal marijuana" because of the high that users experience from plant material coated with chemicals that claim to mimic THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

Drug policy experts said use of spice has been on the rise since the DEA in 2009 tracked skyrocketing numbers of reports about the products from poison control centers, hospitals and local law enforcement agencies.
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Interesting.

People are potentially at more risk of using the alternative drug than they are the real thing.
 
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NEOCON said:
doctors suck.

short story. went to eleven schools in eleven years. dad was transfered to ohio my junior year and the month we get their my mom's mom is diagnosed with cancer. following month her dad. grandmother moves in with us and is dying. grandfather dies two days before thanksgiving. grandmother dies week of valentines day. my mom almost has a break down and i drop out of school because at 17 the whole thing was just too much.

i go to a doctor and tell him i'm depressed. he labels me bi-polar. stuck with the label for 12 years until i get a lawyer to fix the situation. everytime i tried to tell him i didnt fit the bill he kept saying i was and always had a drug he said i needed.

doctors can be a very dangerous thing. they will seize a bad moment to get you on something.
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sorry your experience with doctors has been different then mine.
 
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Major Pharmacy Chains Handing Over Patient Records To Law Enforcement Without Warrants

Initiated in June, the congressional review targeted eight prominent pharmacy chains to scrutinize their privacy practices in response to rising public concerns about health privacy and surveillance. This investigation, led by Senator Ron Wyden, Representative Pramila Jayapal, and Representative Sara Jacobs, was propelled into motion following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade in 2022, which heightened fears about the confidentiality of medical records.
 
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Looks like they have created a significant amount of demand for ADHD meds...

'Ritalinflation' Strikes Households Amid Ongoing ADHD Drug Shortage

The national shortage of Adderall and other ADHD medications has led to a steep rise in prices, a trend we're calling 'Ritalinflation.' The demand for ADHD drugs soared during Covid due to increased telehealth use. This high demand, coupled with low supply, is causing an affordability crisis for some who rely heavily on the medication to focus.

USA Today spoke with one family who said their monthly ADHD medication went from under $20 to $300. The surge in costs has forced the husband in the family to stop taking the medication while prioritizing their daughter, who is in school.

"With medication and accommodations at school, my daughter is a straight-A student. Without the medication, she's failing," the mother said, who wished not to be named because her husband's employer does not know about his diagnosis.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Looks like they have created a significant amount of demand for ADHD meds...

'Ritalinflation' Strikes Households Amid Ongoing ADHD Drug Shortage

The national shortage of Adderall and other ADHD medications has led to a steep rise in prices, a trend we're calling 'Ritalinflation.' The demand for ADHD drugs soared during Covid due to increased telehealth use. This high demand, coupled with low supply, is causing an affordability crisis for some who rely heavily on the medication to focus.

USA Today spoke with one family who said their monthly ADHD medication went from under $20 to $300. The surge in costs has forced the husband in the family to stop taking the medication while prioritizing their daughter, who is in school.

"With medication and accommodations at school, my daughter is a straight-A student. Without the medication, she's failing," the mother said, who wished not to be named because her husband's employer does not know about his diagnosis.
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1. Yes, "virtual school" sitting on a computer screen without social interaction turns out to not be the best educational model for most children, especially those with difficulty staying focused. Surprise, surprise.

2. Yes, there have been periodic shortages of certain ADHD medications, as well as many other drugs, over the past years. However, price gouging hasn't really been an issue. If that family's cost went from $20-300 or whatever, that's either an insurance/ formulary change or a medication change.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
1. Yes, "virtual school" sitting on a computer screen without social interaction turns out to not be the best educational model for most children, especially those with difficulty staying focused. Surprise, surprise.

2. Yes, there have been periodic shortages of certain ADHD medications, as well as many other drugs, over the past years. However, price gouging hasn't really been an issue. If that family's cost went from $20-300 or whatever, that's either an insurance/ formulary change or a medication change.
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I guess my focus is on the increased demand. Are we really seeing an increase in real cases of ADHD or is it an increase in people being "diagnosed" with ADHD? In other words, are doctors driving the demand for these drugs...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I guess my focus is on the increased demand. Are we really seeing an increase in real cases of ADHD or is it an increase in people being "diagnosed" with ADHD? In other words, are doctors driving the demand for these drugs...
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We're probably seeing a lot of patients going to their doctors asking for this stuff. Saw a commercial, friend is on it what have you.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I guess my focus is on the increased demand. Are we really seeing an increase in real cases of ADHD or is it an increase in people being "diagnosed" with ADHD? In other words, are doctors driving the demand for these drugs...
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Yeah,there's not a huge increase of real cases. I read that somewhere around 10 percent of the population have ADHD in the US. I think like with anything you'll have those work around the loopholes to become "diagnosed" I'm not surprised at that anymore.
 
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hog88 said:
We're probably seeing a lot of patients going to their doctors asking for this stuff. Saw a commercial, friend is on it what have you.
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So, we have a situation where the patients are driving demand and not the doctors? That isn't exactly a good scenario, either. WTF do we have doctors for then if I can just see a commercial and ask my doctor for Drug X because the TV told me?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So, we have a situation where the patients are driving demand and not the doctors? That isn't a exactly a good scenario, either. WTF do we have doctors for then if I can just see a commercial and ask my doctor for Drug X because the TV told me?
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I agree.
 
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