Illinois gov teaching sex ed

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Kristy* said:
Then offer the course that teaches about personal space/private areas. They don't need to know about the rest of the left's agenda at such a young age.
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Evidently we are to believe it takes a state legislature, planned parenthood, and dedicated time to teach kids about their personal space/privates.
 
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allvol123 said:
Evidently we are to believe it takes a state legislature, planned parenthood, and dedicated time to teach kids about their personal space/privates.
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Given the rates of both physical and sexual abuse I'm fine with devoting 30min a week to the topic
 
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LouderVol said:
I knew about sex in the 4th grade. Pre internet. By the time I had sex ed in 7th grade it was too late.

Kids these days are on a different clock as far as when they learn about stuff.

As with any subject it's up to the individual about what is acceptable and how much the parents counter or reinforce what they are taught at school.
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You bring up a good point. Kids these days with tablets and phones undoubtedly are going to be exposed to sex (via internet) much sooner than most of us were. It makes sense to teach them about it sooner to avoid 14 year old pregnant girls. If I had a tablet and internet when I was in middle school I can tell you what I would have spent all my time doing. And it ain't studying.
 
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utvolpj said:
Sounds like you could use a sodomy lesson. Maybe you'd relax and realize how ridiculously ignorant your posts in here are.

I have kids in schools and so do my friends and have not experienced this widespread indoctrination you always claim. The curriculum was laid out for you and you ignore it in favor of some made up fantasy land run by evil libruls.
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Sodomy is where you stick your willy in a person's anus or mouth. Otherwise, I've been doing it wrong.

We took sex ed in high school back when I was a kid. Teacher pulled out a huge 9 inch white dildo and proceeded to show the class how to put a condom on it.

She then said does anyone have any questions.

One guy raised his hand in the back and said "shouldn't the dildo be black?"

Ah.....good times, good times.
 
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utvolpj said:
Then opt your child out and teach them at home. God help golfer/happy/Joe's kids though
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Reverse that and I would not find the Bill so objectionable. Make it so that parents have to opt their child in.
These are children ages 5-11 we're talking about. I applaud you having that conversation with your 3rd grader. I believe it's the parents responsibility.

By the time I was in 3rd grade we knew (even though the teachers never actually admitted it)
1. The kids with the lunch cards got free lunch for reasons.......we couldn't articulate it but we knew it was because they were poor.
2. Each year our classes were divided into 5 tiers of students. Group 1 was small and they got to spend allot of time in the lab. Group 1 was 'gifted'. Group 2-4 were average. Group 5 was really small and rode that little yellow bus. They were 'retards'.
3. The kid that didn't have to raise his hand to go potty only got to do so because he piss3s his pants.(don't laugh at me)
4. And countless others....

Per the article linked
would start sex ed in kindergarten through second grade with lessons on personal safety and respecting others. Grades 3-5 would cover anatomy, sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression.
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At that age girls were still ewe.. And I was trying to figure out whether I wanted to be a commando, an astronaut, or a pro wrestler when I grew up. Sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression were not pertinent concerns. That is not normal to force on a child & even if it were, it's the parents responsibility and not the government/schools.

By making the curriculum opt-out they are trying to normalize abnormalities. Make the schools offer it as an opt-in class and all the IDPOL loons can't claim they're excluded as the school manages to pander to their specialness.
SpaceCoastVol said:
sex education
Edit: more specifically teaching 3rd graders about 'sexual orientation' Good grief, really?
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utvolpj said:
Except that's not what it is. That's just what joe chose to make his thread title
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Sex-ed I wouldn't have too much problem at all with if I could trust the schools to actually teach scientific sex-ed.

I don't trust the schools to accurately teach that there's an orifice every human has. Boys have it. Girls have it. Even people of imaginary sex/gender identities have it. Now this particular orifice essentially functions as a one way expansion valve. The muscles in it can only expand and dilate in one direction. Kind of like how the muscles in your bicep can only flex & expand outward. Conversely, the muscles in this orifice can only contract and tighten in the opposite direction.
Now if you somehow force the muscles in this orifice to expand & dilate in the wrong direction, you risk tearing the muscle tissues. This causes irreparable harm. Like a rubber band that's lost its elasticity. The risk is particularly heightened if the muscles have not fully developed. Who wants a life of incontinence & wearing diapers like many old porn stars & sex workers?

Gotta say, I just don't think kids age 7-11 should be taught sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression at school. If they are taught that I don't trust the schools to teach the appropriate sex education some of those gender identities and sexual orientations lead to.
 
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From January 2019. No progressive agenda going on here......
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Regarding the book on which she took her oath of office: [1](https://archive.vn/qjUIP) [2](https://archive.vn/bpVuL) (It actually was Too Many Moose, which is a children's book but not a Dr. Seuss book.) That's what gets me the most about these loons. I don't fault any atheist or anyone who declines to swear on a bible as I believe in their right to do so by seperation of Church & State. Most officials who decline to swear on a bible will however swear on a copy of their State's Constitution or other materials they hold in high esteem. This big bird looking clown from Arizona is simply making a mockery of her position and her state.

Regarding proposed changes to Arizona's sex-education standards: [1](https://archive.vn/pmKYa) [2](https://archive.vn/UP3Ec) [3](https://archive.vn/x1Zcz)
 
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Kristy* said:
I'm not okay with my kids being taught that gender is a choice rather than genetically defined.
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My grandparents grew up in the deep south and had many beliefs about groups of people they taught my parents. Thankfully my parents rejected many of those ideas and didn't pass them on to me. However my parents also had some ideas about other groups of people that they attempted to pass on to me. Thankfully I was able to reject those and hope not to pass them on to my kids. I do struggle with what I will pass down though
 
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Matt2496 said:
"Grades 3-5 would cover anatomy, sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression "

Sounds to me like this is a way for the state to indoctrinate children with transgender garbage (i.e. "gender fluidity"). Which is what the left has been pushing for a while.

This doesn't belong in schools. This doesn't belong anywhere near children.
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That's exactly what the plan is.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
You bring up a good point. Kids these days with tablets and phones undoubtedly are going to be exposed to sex (via internet) much sooner than most of us were. It makes sense to teach them about it sooner to avoid 14 year old pregnant girls. If I had a tablet and internet when I was in middle school I can tell you what I would have spent all my time doing. And it ain't studying.
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Yeah, but there are laws about 14 yo girls showing up on your tablet, and most women you might have been ogling would tell you get lost ... the others would probably fix your problem in a most unpleasant way.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Reverse that and I would not find the Bill so objectionable. Make it so that parents have to opt their child in.
These are children ages 5-11 we're talking about. I applaud you having that conversation with your 3rd grader. I believe it's the parents responsibility.

By the time I was in 3rd grade we knew (even though the teachers never actually admitted it)
1. The kids with the lunch cards got free lunch for reasons.......we couldn't articulate it but we knew it was because they were poor.
2. Each year our classes were divided into 5 tiers of students. Group 1 was small and they got to spend allot of time in the lab. Group 1 was 'gifted'. Group 2-4 were average. Group 5 was really small and rode that little yellow bus. They were 'retards'.
3. The kid that didn't have to raise his hand to go potty only got to do so because he piss3s his pants.(don't laugh at me)
4. And countless others....

Per the article linkedAt that age girls were still ewe.. And I was trying to figure out whether I wanted to be a commando, an astronaut, or a pro wrestler when I grew up. Sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression were not pertinent concerns. That is not normal to force on a child & even if it were, it's the parents responsibility and not the government/schools.

By making the curriculum opt-out they are trying to normalize abnormalities. Make the schools offer it as an opt-in class and all the IDPOL loons can't claim they're excluded as the school manages to pander to their specialness.


Sex-ed I wouldn't have too much problem at all with if I could trust the schools to actually teach scientific sex-ed.

I don't trust the schools to accurately teach that there's an orifice every human has. Boys have it. Girls have it. Even people of imaginary sex/gender identities have it. Now this particular orifice essentially functions as a one way expansion valve. The muscles in it can only expand and dilate in one direction. Kind of like how the muscles in your bicep can only flex & expand outward. Conversely, the muscles in this orifice can only contract and tighten in the opposite direction.
Now if you somehow force the muscles in this orifice to expand & dilate in the wrong direction, you risk tearing the muscle tissues. This causes irreparable harm. Like a rubber band that's lost its elasticity. The risk is particularly heightened if the muscles have not fully developed. Who wants a life of incontinence & wearing diapers like many old porn stars & sex workers?

Gotta say, I just don't think kids age 7-11 should be taught sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression at school. If they are taught that I don't trust the schools to teach the appropriate sex education some of those gender identities and sexual orientations lead to.
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You know even by the 80s they could no longer divide the classes by intellect. That's the change that really started the dumbing down of America. I had to bite my tongue with teachers over the stupidity and accept they didn't make the rules. But I certainly pointed out the insanity of having kids from one extreme to the other in the class and teaching to the middle. Nobody wins; the kids at the extremes of the spectrum get bored and disruptive - one end because the material is too simple and the other don't get it. With the disruption, even kids in the middle can't concentrate. It's what happens when liberal academia meets liberal politicians to decide educational policy. Their solution: classes for the gifted ... taught during the student's free periods, so you know how that went over.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
From January 2019. No progressive agenda going on here......
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Regarding the book on which she took her oath of office: [1](https://archive.vn/qjUIP) [2](https://archive.vn/bpVuL) (It actually was Too Many Moose, which is a children's book but not a Dr. Seuss book.) That's what gets me the most about these loons. I don't fault any atheist or anyone who declines to swear on a bible as I believe in their right to do so by seperation of Church & State. Most officials who decline to swear on a bible will however swear on a copy of their State's Constitution or other materials they hold in high esteem. This big bird looking clown from Arizona is simply making a mockery of her position and her state.

Regarding proposed changes to Arizona's sex-education standards: [1](https://archive.vn/pmKYa) [2](https://archive.vn/UP3Ec) [3](https://archive.vn/x1Zcz)
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Is that actually a he or a she? I'm going with an it.
 
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utvolpj said:
My grandparents grew up in the deep south and had many beliefs about groups of people they taught my parents. Thankfully my parents rejected many of those ideas and didn't pass them on to me. However my parents also had some ideas about other groups of people that they attempted to pass on to me. Thankfully I was able to reject those and hope not to pass them on to my kids. I do struggle with what I will pass down though
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Why do you struggle with what you will pass on? Things like sex and gender are very simple concepts to teach.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Why do you struggle with what you will pass on? Things like sex and gender are very simple concepts to teach.
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sex and gender don't have to be the same. Sex had also been used in recent history to discriminate yet that was changed

At one time the "simple concepts" also included race, sexual orientation, marriage, religion, etc. How has that changed in just the past 100 yrs?
 
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