I'm Going to Vote For John McCain

#26
#26
... Back to the meat of the thread.

Tim, you fail. He wanted to hear the positives of McCain, not the negatives of Obama. Sit this round out unless you can answer the man's post.

I would like to see this thread develop properly as well.
 
#27
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haha, I wouldn't mind it. I don't think there are enough hardcore McCain backers around here for it to happen though.
 
#28
#28
How's this for simplicity? You should vote for McCain because he's better prepared to lead the armed forces and will let you keep more of your paycheck.
 
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GAVol said:
How's this for simplicity? You should vote for McCain because he's better prepared to lead the armed forces and will let you keep more of your paycheck.
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I would say the average poster on here falls squarely into the middle class. Obama's tax plan benefits the middle class
 
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emainvol said:
He's right, at least with higher gas prices we are forced to look at alternative forms of energy. How much oil do you think we have left? You think prices are bad now, wait until 2012 when we still don't have viable alternative energies. It's not a popular opinion, but here's the beautiful thing about energy in this capitalist society, if the prices get high and you want to change it, you can stop using it. Not practical? Too bad, that's how it works. Anything that weens people off oil works for me.
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That being the case, seems like common sense to me to turn the tap on for every drop of oil we sit on.

Seriously? Well then you fall right in line with Gore and Obama. Even if it drives this country towards more poverty, you all are ok as long as it weens us off oil.
 
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emainvol said:
Obama's tax plan benefits the middle class
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I think I've heard that argument from every Democratic candidate since Jimmy Carter. They try to play to the common man with a promise to stick it to the "rich" only. Then somewhere down the line it dawns on everybody that it makes no sense to overtax the people who are creating the jobs for the middle class in the first place.
 
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allvol123 said:
That being the case, seems like common sense to me to turn the tap on for every drop of oil we sit on.

Seriously? Well then you fall right in line with Gore and Obama. Even if it drives this country towards more poverty, you all are ok as long as it weens us off oil.
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I am in no way well off, but I get by just fine even with high gas prices and their effects on other industries. Responsible spending works for me (and I can still afford to have a pretty active social life). Granted, I don't have children, but I am sure I could cut out even more if that were the case and still be fine. Just because it isn't practical to some doesn't mean it can't be done.

Besides, let's face it, gas prices aren't going to ever get down to 1.50, or hell probably even 2.50 ever again. We are stuck with it.
 
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emainvol said:
almost 3/4 of McCain's tax cuts go to people making more than 70 thousand a year, how does that benefit the entire middle class?
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It blows my mind that people get away with this argument.

OF COURSE a tax cut is going to benefit those who pay the most taxes. You pay more, you get more back. It's not a class issue. It's common sense.
 
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GAVol said:
I think I've heard that argument from every Democratic candidate since Jimmy Carter. They try to play to the common man with a promise to stick it to the "rich" only. Then somewhere down the line it dawns on everybody that it makes no sense to overtax the people who are creating the jobs for the middle class in the first place.
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So instead we give little to no relief to the people who apparently need it the most? That doesn't make any sense at all.
 
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we all love graphs.

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emainvol said:
So instead we give little to no relief to the people who apparently need it the most? That doesn't make any sense at all.
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Why GIVE anything? I earned what I have, why not the next person earn it? I think that's fair...
 
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emainvol said:
I am in no way well off, but I get by just fine even with high gas prices and their effects on other industries. Responsible spending works for me (and I can still afford to have a pretty active social life). Granted, I don't have children, but I am sure I could cut out even more if that were the case and still be fine. Just because it isn't practical to some doesn't mean it can't be done.

Besides, let's face it, gas prices aren't going to ever get down to 1.50, or hell probably even 2.50 ever again. We are stuck with it.
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And what about any of what you just said, has anything to do with thinking it is even a remotely good idea to prevent ourselves from harvesting the oil we sit on?

You really are all for their message. You are more than happy to make cut backs in your life if it will ween us off oil? Why?
 
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GAVol said:
It blows my mind that people get away with this argument.

OF COURSE a tax cut is going to benefit those who pay the most taxes. You pay more, you get more back. It's not a class issue. It's common sense.
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Okay then, 60% of the American working public gets 6 percent of the tax cut. While the top 40% may pay more per person, there is a lack of balance somewhere in there.
 
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GAVol said:
I think I've heard that argument from every Democratic candidate since Jimmy Carter. They try to play to the common man with a promise to stick it to the "rich" only. Then somewhere down the line it dawns on everybody that it makes no sense to overtax the people who are creating the jobs for the middle class in the first place.
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Ah, good ole Jihad Jimmy, bless his heart..Mr. TAX.
 
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allvol123 said:
And what about any of what you just said, has anything to do with thinking it is even a remotely good idea to prevent ourselves from harvesting the oil we sit on?

You really are all for their message. You are more than happy to make cut backs in your life if it will ween us off oil? Why?
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I never said I was against drilling, I just said I agreed that giving the public a kick in the ass is a good thing
 
#46
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It's a progressive tax system. By definition it is not balanced.
 
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#47
GA in fairness, I will admit one flaw in my argument, 20% of those people don't pay taxes, so we will leave them out
 
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emainvol said:
I never said I was against drilling, I just said I agreed that giving the public a kick in the ass is a good thing
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You said you were for anything that weens us off oil. I suspect not using what we have, is one of many steps that will force us to be weened off. Therefore I can reason you are against drilling.
 
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allvol123 said:
You said you were for anything that weens us off oil. I suspect not using what we have, is one of many steps that will force us to be weened off. Therefore I can reason you are against drilling.
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Fair enough, for future reference I am not against drilling.
 
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