I'm Going to Vote For John McCain

#76
#76
tim said:
I'd love one. And I'll buy you a drink.

That is if I can still afford to drive to the bar.
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I miss being able to walk to the bar, and getting rides home from the same police officer three nights a week for a month. That guy was cool as hell.

On another topic, if anyone is in school right now, Intercultural Communications blows. So does writing a speech on Nuclear Arms
 
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emainvol said:
I miss being able to walk to the bar, and getting rides home from the same police officer three nights a week for a month. That guy was cool as hell.

On another topic, if anyone is in school right now, Intercultural Communications blows. So does writing a speech on Nuclear Arms
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interesting...are you writing a speech on non-proliferation, stockpile downsizing, international inspections, ..or....you fill in the blank.
 
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westtnorangeman said:
A vote for McCain = four more years of Bush
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we're still waiting for one of your posts to actually contribute to a thread.

a single vote is hardly equivalent to the election of an individual. It's going to take a majority of the electoral college vote (as opposed to the "popular" vote) in order to put McCain in the White House.

Personally, I'd much rather have a bad capitalist (McCain) as President than a slick-talking Socialist (Obama).
 
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TennTradition said:
interesting...are you writing a speech on non-proliferation, stockpile downsizing, international inspections, ..or....you fill in the blank.
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basically stockpile downsizing, if you know of anything I should check out in relation, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
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emainvol said:
his tax plan won't effect me directly, so no.
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it has a very likely chance of impacting you over the course of 4 years. I can tell you 100% for sure that unemployment correlates very strongly to tax moves. Not that you'll be unemployed, but many will.
 
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emainvol said:
I would say the average poster on here falls squarely into the middle class. Obama's tax plan benefits the middle class
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biggest lie in the business and, somehow, it gets bought and passed on in every election campaign.
 
#85
#85
milohimself said:
... Back to the meat of the thread.

Tim, you fail. He wanted to hear the positives of McCain, not the negatives of Obama. Sit this round out unless you can answer the man's post.

I would like to see this thread develop properly as well.
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No Milo, you actually tried to help the original poster succeed and you both fail.

The original question was about a vote in a two horse race, unless you're assuming the poster was going to consider abstaining.

In such vote, every single measure of the candidates is relative. Hence, any argument that dosn't take the opponent into consideration is of absolutely no use, (regardless of SWIL's parenthetical statement that undermined his own question).

He asked simply for a reason to vote for McCain and the only real answer to that question would be that he is a better option than the alternative. Specifics provided or not, that's not particularly difficult.

We can all bandy about reasons that we're pro or con, but most of us will fall out where we do based upon a single issue. Mine is economics and I believe BHO to be so offensive on that issue that I'm willing to vote for McCain, regardless of all of the other issues combined.

I believe that is the reason that anyone who owns a company or works for a living should avoid Obama at all costs.
 
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McCain's advantages:

1) experience both in the armed forces and in the Senate - these are both immense assets in the next point.

2) foreign policy - Obama has shown a naivete on foreign policy. He's had to back off earlier claims because while on the surface they may sound appealing, they fail to recognize the immense complexities of foreign diplomacy.

3) related to the above, McCain views terrorism and other global threats as foreign policy problems while Obama is moving towards the law enforcement model favored by Clinton and Albright.

4) tax policy - McCain's isn't the greatest but it should be more neutral on economic growth than Obama's which intentionally or not attacks businesses via straight taxation and increasing the cost of capital.

5) economic policy - McCain's is definitely more pro-growth.

6) spending - McCain has a solid track record of attacking wasteful government spending. Obama's camp proposes a new entitlement each week it seems.

7) cooperation - McCain has a proven track record of working across the aisle to get things done. Obama has very little such expericence and in numerous chances for cooperation, he has chosen party line.

8) intangibles - Obama is an unknown; McCain is a known

9) power balance - The congress is likely to be strongly democratic. McCain will provide a power check to a full democratic agenda. Obama will enable a full democratic agenda.

10) Energy independence - McCain favors an all options on the table approach. Obama rules out more oil exploration and wants to punish oil companies - this will not move us forward.

11) Global warming and health care - McCain's approaches here are more measured and work more within the existing system. Obama's approaches are more drastic but unproven.
 
#87
#87
McCain keeps the Democrats from controlling the House, Senate, and Presidency. We need him for the checks and balances.
 
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volinbham said:
McCain's advantages:

1) experience both in the armed forces and in the Senate - these are both immense assets in the next point.

2) foreign policy - Obama has shown a naivete on foreign policy. He's had to back off earlier claims because while on the surface they may sound appealing, they fail to recognize the immense complexities of foreign diplomacy.

3) related to the above, McCain views terrorism and other global threats as foreign policy problems while Obama is moving towards the law enforcement model favored by Clinton and Albright.

4) tax policy - McCain's isn't the greatest but it should be more neutral on economic growth than Obama's which intentionally or not attacks businesses via straight taxation and increasing the cost of capital.

5) economic policy - McCain's is definitely more pro-growth.

6) spending - McCain has a solid track record of attacking wasteful government spending. Obama's camp proposes a new entitlement each week it seems.

7) cooperation - McCain has a proven track record of working across the aisle to get things done. Obama has very little such expericence and in numerous chances for cooperation, he has chosen party line.

8) intangibles - Obama is an unknown; McCain is a known

9) power balance - The congress is likely to be strongly democratic. McCain will provide a power check to a full democratic agenda. Obama will enable a full democratic agenda.

10) Energy independence - McCain favors an all options on the table approach. Obama rules out more oil exploration and wants to punish oil companies - this will not move us forward.

11) Global warming and health care - McCain's approaches here are more measured and work more within the existing system. Obama's approaches are more drastic but unproven.
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Bravo. Any open minded person that was considering Obama should have just changed his mind.
 
#89
#89
For those who have bought into Obamas’ promise to quickly withdraw from Iraq….”Obama says he would withdraw from Iraq by end-2008”

Obama says he would withdraw from Iraq by end-2008 | Politics | Reuters

Guess again….

When addressing concerns raised by Iraq's foreign minister Hoshyar Zebari he said, "if there would be a Democratic administration, it will not take any irresponsible, reckless, sudden decisions or action to endanger your gains, your achievements, your stability or security. Whatever decision he will reach will be made through close consultation with the Iraqi government and U.S. military commanders in the field."

washingtonpost.com
 
#90
#90
volinbham said:
McCain's advantages:

1) experience both in the armed forces and in the Senate - these are both immense assets in the next point.

2) foreign policy - Obama has shown a naivete on foreign policy. He's had to back off earlier claims because while on the surface they may sound appealing, they fail to recognize the immense complexities of foreign diplomacy.

3) related to the above, McCain views terrorism and other global threats as foreign policy problems while Obama is moving towards the law enforcement model favored by Clinton and Albright.

4) tax policy - McCain's isn't the greatest but it should be more neutral on economic growth than Obama's which intentionally or not attacks businesses via straight taxation and increasing the cost of capital.

5) economic policy - McCain's is definitely more pro-growth.

6) spending - McCain has a solid track record of attacking wasteful government spending. Obama's camp proposes a new entitlement each week it seems.

7) cooperation - McCain has a proven track record of working across the aisle to get things done. Obama has very little such expericence and in numerous chances for cooperation, he has chosen party line.

8) intangibles - Obama is an unknown; McCain is a known

9) power balance - The congress is likely to be strongly democratic. McCain will provide a power check to a full democratic agenda. Obama will enable a full democratic agenda.

10) Energy independence - McCain favors an all options on the table approach. Obama rules out more oil exploration and wants to punish oil companies - this will not move us forward.

11) Global warming and health care - McCain's approaches here are more measured and work more within the existing system. Obama's approaches are more drastic but unproven.
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This litany sounded a lot better to me 8 years ago when we weren't in a seemingly endless war, McCain still had his backbone, and his opponents were George W. Bush and Al Gore. And thus the reason I voted for him in the GOP primary.

BTW, what makes you think McCain's economic policy will be more pro-growth? Or, is it pro- a certain type of growth?
 
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GAVol said:
You should vote for McCain because he's better prepared to lead the armed forces
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I'm not saying his military experience doesn't give him an edge, but being a POW doesn't necessarily mean he's better prepared.

However, if you want to just look at military experience and time served, then Kerry was the better choice over Bush. You weren't too concerned with that now were you? :whistling:
 
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TennNC said:
This litany sounded a lot better to me 8 years ago when we weren't in a seemingly endless war, McCain still had his backbone, and his opponents were George W. Bush and Al Gore. And thus the reason I voted for him in the GOP primary.

BTW, what makes you think McCain's economic policy will be more pro-growth? Or, is it pro- a certain type of growth?
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I don't understand your first comment - are you saying his policies were good then but not now?

As for pro-growth? Obama's tax plans and trade plans are restrictive. As I mentioned in my "litany", his tax plans hit companies of all types. In particular, this income tax plans will impact small business as well as the evil rich. His capital gains plans will raise the cost of capital for investment. His windfall profit tax which he claims to redistribute to the middle class will simply serve to reduce investment by oil companies. His NAFTA rhetoric has yet to materialize into a coherent trade plan but it's protectionist tone certainly doesn't scream economic expansion.

In a growing economy, some sectors will grow faster than others while some may actually shrink. The solution is NOT to restrict all growth to try to even things out.
 
#93
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OWB said:
I'm not saying his military experience doesn't give him an edge, but being a POW doesn't necessarily mean he's better prepared.

However, if you want to just look at military experience and time served, then Kerry was the better choice over Bush. You weren't too concerned with that now were you? :whistling:
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I don't think you really even have to factor in military/POW experience. I think even most Obama supporters would have to concede that he is a neophyte when it comes to national defense. The issue will be whether he will be able to string together enough platitudes and well delivered speeches to make people forget that.
 
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OWB said:
I'm not saying his military experience doesn't give him an edge, but being a POW doesn't necessarily mean he's better prepared.

However, if you want to just look at military experience and time served, then Kerry was the better choice over Bush. You weren't too concerned with that now were you? :whistling:
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The military gap between McCain and Obama is much larger. Add to that, W at least had executive level experience (Governor, CEO) to counter Kerry's Senatorial experience. On the overall experience front, things were quite even.

The experience gap between McCain and Obama is huge.
 
#96
#96
volinbham said:
The military gap between McCain and Obama is much larger. Add to that, W at least had executive level experience (Governor, CEO) to counter Kerry's Senatorial experience. On the overall experience front, things were quite even.

The experience gap between McCain and Obama is huge.
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You can look at W's track record as Governor and CEO and see that he didn't know or learn a thing.

As for W and military experience, I have more than him and all I've done was play a lot of war games on my XBOX 360.
 
#97
#97
OWB said:
You can look at W's track record as Governor and CEO and see that he didn't know or learn a thing.

As for W and military experience, I have more than him and all I've done was play a lot of war games on my XBOX 360.
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Bush sucks blah blah blah.

Yay for socialism.
 
#98
#98
OWB said:
You can look at W's track record as Governor and CEO and see that he didn't know or learn a thing.

As for W and military experience, I have more than him and all I've done was play a lot of war games on my XBOX 360.
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Can we ever discuss McCain and Obama without you using the Obama handbook, which says to always bring up Bush.
 
#99
#99
OWB said:
You can look at W's track record as Governor and CEO and see that he didn't know or learn a thing.

As for W and military experience, I have more than him and all I've done was play a lot of war games on my XBOX 360.
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Do you always have a hard time dealing with reality?
 
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