I'm Going to Vote For John McCain

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KentheOrange said:
His ability, or lack thereof, to choose his friends doesn't bother you? A racist mentor, a terrorist friend and supporter. Who will he put in the cabinet? I haven't seen such poor choices in friends since Jimmy Carter. Well, Clinton and his female friends were interesting but not dangerous.

It doesn't bother you that he is changing his position on so many items that were strong planks in his platform and helped make him the nominee?

I fear McCain much less than Obama.
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His "friends" don't bother me one bit. Rest assured, neither Wright nor Ayers will get a cabinet position. Those would be held by Democratic Party stars and leaders, just like every president does.

I regret he's changing some positions, but I also think that he's doing what he thinks will be necessary to win. He ain't perfect, we know that.

Finally, we tend to fear the unknown most of all. I'd rather not operate in fear anymore.
 
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TennNC said:
His "friends" don't bother me one bit. Rest assured, neither Wright nor Ayers will get a cabinet position. Those would be held by Democratic Party stars and leaders, just like every president does.

I regret he's changing some positions, but I also think that he's doing what he thinks will be necessary to win. He ain't perfect, we know that.

Finally, we tend to fear the unknown most of all. I'd rather not operate in fear anymore.
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you just throwing about cliches that undermine your stand, or what?

For surely you don't fear what McCain might be, but have no real idea who Obama is, aside from old school share the wealth man. Maybe I'm just confused, but if you don't like the fear of the unknown, seems to me you should vote differently.

As to his changing positions, you softly approach the subject and pass it off as nearly immaterial. However, you're supporting a guy with no credentials to stand upon who has now proven that his rhetoric is equally hollow. He only has a couple of platforms worth even remote considerations and has now totally undermined one of them by proving to be a vanilla politician. I don't understand how anyone can get remotely comfortable with Obama, unless it's simply the FineVol approach that he's better than Bush.
 
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TennNC said:
2) I will quote him:

"That's not too important," McCain said on NBC's "Today Show," when host Matt Lauer asked if he could estimate when U.S. forces would come home.

Timing of Iraq Troop Withdrawal 'Not Too Important,' Says McCain | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

I also believe McCain sees his solution as the best one. And that solution very well could have an active US troop presence there for a long, long time -- or at least it's not too important to McCain if we do. I'm concerned not only for the troops right now and all the effects of repeat, drawn-out tours, but also for what's going to happen when we actually need to fight a war. Where are those troops going to come from?
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I still disagree with this assessment. I believe it is very important to McCain. His decision is not flippant. Also, I'm relatively sure he's not envisioning an ongoing war but rather an extended presence of a much smaller force. We have troops all over the world and have had for 60+ years. Getting out of Iraq in a year or two won't change that. Characterizing his view as being indifferent to an ongoing, endless war in Iraq is false.

said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. "John McCain was asked if he had a 'better estimate' for a timeline for withdrawal. As John McCain has always said, that is not as important as conditions on the ground and the recommendations of commanders in the field. Any reasonable person who reads the full transcript would see this and reject the Obama campaign's attempt to manipulate, twist and distort the truth."
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KentheOrange said:
His ability, or lack thereof, to choose his friends doesn't bother you? A racist mentor, a terrorist friend and supporter. Who will he put in the cabinet? I haven't seen such poor choices in friends since Jimmy Carter. Well, Clinton and his female friends were interesting but not dangerous.

It doesn't bother you that he is changing his position on so many items that were strong planks in his platform and helped make him the nominee?

I fear McCain much less than Obama.
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I thought I was reading a quote from Pat Robertson. :)
 
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#130
I would be interested to know if anyone on this board his either switched from Obama to McCain or McCain to Obama as their choice for President.
 
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#131
KB5252 said:
If you raise taxes on the wealthy at this point it will put us into a full blown recession, we are on the precipice right now. With oil and gas as it is just one nudge is all it would take. You have to be very careful with the moves you make right now. Lower taxes for all would do more good than raising taxes for a few just to satisfy your base. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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I think we need to define wealthy. Taxing the truly wealthy has little impact on the economy. The wealthy have enough disposable income to still consume at the level they wish. However, taxing mid-to-low income families directly impacts consumption which is pretty much what keeps our economy afloat.

What's interesting about the arguement is people that are wealthy don't want to pay more taxes and use the graduated tax rates as an example -- but statistically, as a percentage of income they usually pay less because of write-offs and tax shelters. They also tend to forget that most wealthy people become wealthy because they created a business that people "consume" - -whether it be a service or product. If you tax the middle to low class more -- there will be less consumption and less income for those that are wealthy business owners (or part of profit-taking or stock driven income). Even business-to-business revenue is impacted by declining consumption because somewhere along the food chain, it all boils down to someone consuming something......and the middle class is, by far, the largest consumer.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you just throwing about cliches that undermine your stand, or what?

For surely you don't fear what McCain might be, but have no real idea who Obama is, aside from old school share the wealth man. Maybe I'm just confused, but if you don't like the fear of the unknown, seems to me you should vote differently.
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It's typical to fear what we don't know. I would encourage people to learn more about the man instead of being spoon-fed crap like Rev. Wright or Ayers or his Muslim father - people get those tidbits and then weave together their own stories about the man that are based on hunches and assumptions.

However, if you fear Obama b/c of his policies, you also probably feared Clinton, and perhaps that fear was unwarranted.

Also, you must be confounded by the number of educated voters who will vote for Obama in November - what are they thinking???
 
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TennNC said:
It's typical to fear what we don't know. I would encourage people to learn more about the man instead of being spoon-fed crap like Rev. Wright or Ayers or his Muslim father - people get those tidbits and then weave together their own stories about the man that are based on hunches and assumptions.

However, if you fear Obama b/c of his policies, you also probably feared Clinton, and perhaps that fear was unwarranted.

Also, you must be confounded by the number of educated voters who will vote for Obama in November - what are they thinking???
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There is some implication there that, if you're not voting for Obama, then obviously you are not informed. Hmm. Also, why is it just crap that the man associated with a racist for 20 years? Not sure how you so easily shrug that one off.
 
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TennNC said:
It's typical to fear what we don't know. I would encourage people to learn more about the man instead of being spoon-fed crap like Rev. Wright or Ayers or his Muslim father - people get those tidbits and then weave together their own stories about the man that are based on hunches and assumptions.

Wow....I didn't realize the Muslim thing was even an issue. What does being Muslim have anything to with anything? I can only hope people here aren't the people that say: "You are Muslim, you are a terrorist" or "You are Muslim, you don't believe in the same God" -- because both those statements are not only wrong - they are a weak arguement against Obama (and I'm not saying I support him). Hopefully I read that wrong -- but it sounded like some people were saying him being associated to a Muslim makes him inherently bad.
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#135
The only thing that I can tell you about McCain is that he is closely in line with Lenin and Obama is closely in line with Marx.
 
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TennNC said:
It's typical to fear what we don't know. I would encourage people to learn more about the man instead of being spoon-fed crap like Rev. Wright or Ayers or his Muslim father - people get those tidbits and then weave together their own stories about the man that are based on hunches and assumptions.

However, if you fear Obama b/c of his policies, you also probably feared Clinton, and perhaps that fear was unwarranted.

Also, you must be confounded by the number of educated voters who will vote for Obama in November - what are they thinking???
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Tenn NC what do you think of Obama using the race card so early. I did find it amusing the way he played it though. Kind of like the race card in reverse.
 
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TennNC said:
It's typical to fear what we don't know. I would encourage people to learn more about the man instead of being spoon-fed crap like Rev. Wright or Ayers or his Muslim father - people get those tidbits and then weave together their own stories about the man that are based on hunches and assumptions.

However, if you fear Obama b/c of his policies, you also probably feared Clinton, and perhaps that fear was unwarranted.

Also, you must be confounded by the number of educated voters who will vote for Obama in November - what are they thinking???
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You lost me on that one, what does that have to do with any thing?

Are you implying if you have "smarts" the only choice is Obama?

The reason those people want him in power is to move the country that much closer to socialism!
 
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KB5252 said:
Tenn NC what do you think of Obama using the race card so early. I did find it amusing the way he played it though. Kind of like the race card in reverse.
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Yeah, this mantra that comes from his camp. "We don't want this race to be about race, and we'll say that endlessly if that will help make race an issue!".
 
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allvol123 said:
Yeah, this mantra that comes from his camp. "We don't want this race to be about race, and we'll say that endlessly if that will help make race an issue!".
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I just think the way they implied it " McCain plans on making race an issue", is preposterous. If McCain did he would be raked over the coals for it. It would in essence end his bid for the White House. Any American who can't see through this little end around is deceiving themselves. Fair open minded democrats should call him on it. Hell we all should.
 
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#143
TennNC said:
BTW, what makes you think McCain's economic policy will be more pro-growth? Or, is it pro- a certain type of growth?
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He said he is going to lower the Taxes on corporations, which currently are the highest in the world. This would allow corporations to spend money on everything, instead of Taxes. New buildings, new factories, new technology improvements, more jobs, bigger dividends for shareholders, and overall more investments flowing into the US. If this happened, the dollar would get stronger, oil and commodities would pull back, more people would be employed due to increased investments, stock market would go higher, and more tax $$ would flow into the treasury.

Also to the person who said that they have no problem with those making over $70K having higher taxes... $70k is not a lot of money, especially when supporting a family living in an average city. To add more taxes on them would be a big burden for the backbone of america
 
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#144
volinbham said:
Two reasons for my concern on this issue:

1. I fear the economic effect of Obama's tax plan more than McCain's

2. The openness with which Obama acknowledges he is trying to redistribute wealth is troublesome. He has shown great willingness to turn to government to address problems. His plan to tax oil profits he considers to be exessive to pay for a middle class tax cut (claimed) is quite troublesome.
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I've already stated that I think a windfall profits tax is an absolutely horrible idea, however, it is hardly an issue that will change my vote.
 
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TennNC said:
It's typical to fear what we don't know. I would encourage people to learn more about the man instead of being spoon-fed crap like Rev. Wright or Ayers or his Muslim father - people get those tidbits and then weave together their own stories about the man that are based on hunches and assumptions.

However, if you fear Obama b/c of his policies, you also probably feared Clinton, and perhaps that fear was unwarranted.

Also, you must be confounded by the number of educated voters who will vote for Obama in November - what are they thinking???
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I guarantee you that most of the woven together stories have nothing to do with Ayers, Wright or Daddy the saint. Most of the anti-Obama garbage is about socialism.

I did not fear Clinton in the least because we had 12 years of executive leadership to view in helping frame the candidate. My concerns with Clinton were all about is potential to gut the military in pacifist fashion and his UHC stuff. Both hunches were exactly right. Fortunately, he, and his wife, failed wrt the UHC initiative.

I'm not confounded at all about educated voters pushing Obama. The world is littered with folks whose emotions drive their lives. In addition, you have plenty high minded liberals who have been pushing forever that most are too stupid to fend for themselves and that the only real solutions are gov't provided. The idealism behind the party isn't remotely new and not limited only to the uneducated.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I think we need to define wealthy. Taxing the truly wealthy has little impact on the economy. The wealthy have enough disposable income to still consume at the level they wish. However, taxing mid-to-low income families directly impacts consumption which is pretty much what keeps our economy afloat.

What's interesting about the arguement is people that are wealthy don't want to pay more taxes and use the graduated tax rates as an example -- but statistically, as a percentage of income they usually pay less because of write-offs and tax shelters.
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do what?
 
#147
#147
You should vote for McCain because he served his country during the Revolutionary War.
 
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