I'm Going to Vote For John McCain

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volinbham said:
I don't understand your first comment - are you saying his policies were good then but not now?
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I was saying his candidacy was much more appealing then than now. I voted for him in the GOP primary 8 years ago.

He was more believable then. He was the maverick then. He was willing to give the finger to the right-wing wackos. Now he's on his knees every chance he gets. He let Rove and his hacks destroy his reputation in SCarolina, then came back and stumped for the man Rove put in the White House for two terms. For all the talk about Obama doing whatever is necessary to become president, I don't hear a lot of the same treatment for McCain from many posters on this board.

And getting out of this war happens to be a pretty big issue, and McCain doesn't seem to care if we're there well beyond his remaining years in this life.

I can understand your reasoning for voting for McCain. But given what he's done in recent years, and given who he's running against now, and given the challenges we face now, that doesn't do it for me.
 
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allvol123 said:
Bravo. Any open minded person that was considering Obama should have just changed his mind.
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I'm glad you brought up the idea of being open-minded. Have you been open minded at all about Obama? Sure sounds like you had your mind made up the second you heard he was running for POTUS.
 
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TennNC said:
I'm glad you brought up the idea of being open-minded. Have you been open minded at all about Obama? Sure sounds like you had your mind made up the second you heard he was running for POTUS.
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Nope. When he decided to run for POTUS, I am sure I considered him irrelevant, as it was widely assumed Hillary would win the nomination. But my mind is made up now.
 
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allvol123 said:
Nope. When he decided to run for POTUS, I am sure I considered him irrelevant, as it was widely assumed Hillary would win the nomination. But my mind is made up now.
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I'm not sure that qualifies as being open-minded.
 
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TennNC said:
I'm glad you brought up the idea of being open-minded. Have you been open minded at all about Obama? Sure sounds like you had your mind made up the second you heard he was running for POTUS.
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I was open-minded since I knew he would be running the second he spoke at the DNC (great speech). It was difficult to find out his stance on things in such a short time period but the more I've found out the less I like. While I'm liberal on social issues I don't think his economic ideas are what this country needs.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not excited about McCain and I'm sure not impressed with the policies from the last 8 years. TBH I don't have a candidate right now.
 
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TennNC said:
I was saying his candidacy was much more appealing then than now. I voted for him in the GOP primary 8 years ago.

He was more believable then. He was the maverick then. He was willing to give the finger to the right-wing wackos. Now he's on his knees every chance he gets. He let Rove and his hacks destroy his reputation in SCarolina, then came back and stumped for the man Rove put in the White House for two terms. For all the talk about Obama doing whatever is necessary to become president, I don't hear a lot of the same treatment for McCain from many posters on this board.

And getting out of this war happens to be a pretty big issue, and McCain doesn't seem to care if we're there well beyond his remaining years in this life.

I can understand your reasoning for voting for McCain. But given what he's done in recent years, and given who he's running against now, and given the challenges we face now, that doesn't do it for me.
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If you believe McCain is on his knees to right wing wackos, you then have to believe Obama is likewise on his knees to the left. Both are doing what they see as necessary to get elected. I hardly see an advantage to Obama in this regard.

I would suggest also that you are misstating his position on Iraq. I'm quite sure he does care and sees his view as the best solution as Obama does his.
 
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emainvol said:
Why would I list it as a reason to vote or not to vote for someone based on tax cuts that I won't see in either case?
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Two reasons for my concern on this issue:

1. I fear the economic effect of Obama's tax plan more than McCain's

2. The openness with which Obama acknowledges he is trying to redistribute wealth is troublesome. He has shown great willingness to turn to government to address problems. His plan to tax oil profits he considers to be exessive to pay for a middle class tax cut (claimed) is quite troublesome.
 
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volinbham said:
1)If you believe McCain is on his knees to right wing wackos, you then have to believe Obama is likewise on his knees to the left. Both are doing what they see as necessary to get elected. I hardly see an advantage to Obama in this regard.

I would suggest also that you are misstating his position on Iraq. I'm quite sure he does care and sees his view as the best solution as Obama does his.
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1) Obama may not be any better in that regard. And I admit I'm taking a bit of a risk on this promising young candidate.

2) I will quote him:

"That's not too important," McCain said on NBC's "Today Show," when host Matt Lauer asked if he could estimate when U.S. forces would come home.

Timing of Iraq Troop Withdrawal 'Not Too Important,' Says McCain | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

I also believe McCain sees his solution as the best one. And that solution very well could have an active US troop presence there for a long, long time -- or at least it's not too important to McCain if we do. I'm concerned not only for the troops right now and all the effects of repeat, drawn-out tours, but also for what's going to happen when we actually need to fight a war. Where are those troops going to come from?
 
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utvolpj said:
I was open-minded since I knew he would be running the second he spoke at the DNC (great speech).
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How'd you know then? He didn't announce until years after that.

I understand he's been knocked from the pedestal, and I understand I'm taking a bit of a risk trying to help him get elected, but it's a calculated risk -- I still think he can lead this country to do great things. If he turned out to be the failure as president many on here predict he would be (and for the record, raising taxes on the highest income earners alone won't qualify as failure IMO), then I will take some responsibility for supporting him.
 
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TennNC said:
How'd you know then? He didn't announce until years after that.
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not saying I'm psychic but I thought it was a pretty obvious move at the time. Young, black man who is a very good speaker? It just seemed like his WH run was being put it motion that night.
 
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TennNC said:
How'd you know then? He didn't announce until years after that.

I understand he's been knocked from the pedestal, and I understand I'm taking a bit of a risk trying to help him get elected, but it's a calculated risk -- I still think he can lead this country to do great things. If he turned out to be the failure as president many on here predict he would be (and for the record, raising taxes on the highest income earners alone won't qualify as failure IMO), then I will take some responsibility for supporting him.
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His ability, or lack thereof, to choose his friends doesn't bother you? A racist mentor, a terrorist friend and supporter. Who will he put in the cabinet? I haven't seen such poor choices in friends since Jimmy Carter. Well, Clinton and his female friends were interesting but not dangerous.

It doesn't bother you that he is changing his position on so many items that were strong planks in his platform and helped make him the nominee?

I fear McCain much less than Obama.
 
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TennNC said:
How'd you know then? He didn't announce until years after that.

I understand he's been knocked from the pedestal, and I understand I'm taking a bit of a risk trying to help him get elected, but it's a calculated risk -- I still think he can lead this country to do great things. If he turned out to be the failure as president many on here predict he would be (and for the record, raising taxes on the highest income earners alone won't qualify as failure IMO), then I will take some responsibility for supporting him.
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If you raise taxes on the wealthy at this point it will put us into a full blown recession, we are on the precipice right now. With oil and gas as it is just one nudge is all it would take. You have to be very careful with the moves you make right now. Lower taxes for all would do more good than raising taxes for a few just to satisfy your base. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
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utvolpj said:
not saying I'm psychic but I thought it was a pretty obvious move at the time. Young, black man who is a very good speaker? It just seemed like his WH run was being put it motion that night.

We do have quite a few people that work non-traditional workweeks (Sat-Wed) and that seems to be an interesting idea too.
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I didn't have that much foresight. I thought maybe he'd run in 2012, but it still surprised me when he announced he was running. Nobody had heard much from him, which poses a big problem and challenge for him now.
 
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KB5252 said:
If you raise taxes on the wealthy at this point it will put us into a full blown recession, we are on the precipice right now. With oil and gas as it is just one nudge is all it would take. You have to be very careful with the moves you make right now. Lower taxes for all would do more good than raising taxes for a few just to satisfy your base. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Well, when W leaves office, the national debt will surpaass $10 trillion. It's growing at something like $100K every 10 seconds - astonishing. Not all W's fault, of course, but the war and tax cuts haven't helped.

Whether we like it or not, we're all going to have to sacrifice something -- taxes will go up and entitlements will get cut, or else we'll be in crisis mode. We've got to start paying this thing down sometime.
 
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