"In disputable video evidence" redefined

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DaddyChad said:
I believe they did as well. I'm just sick of watching process kick us in the nutts and the one time where it should go our way the replay guy decides to just get it right instead of follow that process.

It doesn't matter at this point anyways. This team and staff have to make their own breaks in the future.
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Do you think the refs got it right at the end of the 2011 game? The ref clearly blew his whistle and ran in to spot the ball while Gordon was running down the field.

It was ruled that he didn't blow the whistle and UT was awarded a TD.

That call bit Vandy. This call bit UT.
 
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GAVol said:
It's funny how "process" bites us in the ass. This is the 3rd game in 4 years where it seems officiating procedures got squirrelly in the final seconds to take away what I thought was a victory.
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I agree, changes will be made because of the call in the booth.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I believe they did as well. I'm just sick of watching process kick us in the nutts and the one time where it should go our way the replay guy decides to just get it right instead of follow that process.

It doesn't matter at this point anyways. This team and staff have to make their own breaks in the future.
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How can you say that they got it right if the evidence wasn't on the video? Did you view it live on the sideline or did you watch it live on TV?

Are you saying you had a better vantage point that the two linesmen on the field that spotted the ball?

It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the argument that someone watching it live on TV (which was filmed from an angle) thinks that the call was utimalely correct.

Please explain.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Do you think the refs got it right at the end of the 2011 game? The ref clearly blew his whistle and ran in to spot the ball while Gordon was running down the field.

It was ruled that he didn't blow the whistle and UT was awarded a TD.

That call bit Vandy. This call bit UT.
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I agree Vandy got hosed on that call and knowing the Dooley luck it probably costed them the game.
 
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DaddyChad said:
When I saw the play live I thought they got the first down no doubt. When I saw the spot I was relieved. When I saw the replay I was even more convinced that the play would be upheld not because he didn't get the first down but because there wasn't definitive video evidence that he made the first down. This is from a UT fan that has ample experience with the "burden" of indisputable proof as it usually nails us in the backside.
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Plesae keep in mind that the live video was shot from an angle not a dead on view like the officials had on the field. So the live shot may have been somewhat of a illusion.

Its's hard for me to say the initial spot was completly off when the officials had a much better vantage point than anyone watching it live on TV.

Just my two cents.
 
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bamawriter said:
I wouldn't count on that if I were you.
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Maybe they should just post the rule in the reply booth.

ARTICLE 2. The instant replay process operates under the fundamental assumption that the ruling on the field is correct. The replay official may reverse a ruling if and only if the video evidence convinces him beyond all doubt that the ruling was incorrect. Without such indisputable video evidence, the replay official must allow the ruling to stand.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I believe they did as well. I'm just sick of watching process kick us in the nutts and the one time where it should go our way the replay guy decides to just get it right instead of follow that process.
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Well said.... Also why I feel like most UT fans are having a harder time swallowing this one.
 
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I have watched the play over and over again, I'm still not convinced that the runner got the first down initially, and I know after watching the replay that there was not indisputable video evidence to overturn the original call on the field.

I think most would agree that the call on the field should have never been overturned.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't see how anyone can say that wasn't a horrible spot. I watched it five times last night and each time I had no idea what the line judge saw. He ran towards where the spot should have been then started to angle back to where he spotted it.

I know people are ticked off but there is no way in hades his original spot was correct. Not even close.
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So, your position is that "two wrongs DO make a right"?
 
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Boca Vol said:
Do you think the refs got it right at the end of the 2011 game? The ref clearly blew his whistle and ran in to spot the ball while Gordon was running down the field.

It was ruled that he didn't blow the whistle and UT was awarded a TD.

That call bit Vandy. This call bit UT.
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Not correct. The knee wasn't down, the ref said he didn't blow the whistle, Vols kept playing and Vandy kept playing, but they just couldn't catch him. Not same situation at all.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
Not correct. The knee wasn't down, the ref said he didn't blow the whistle, Vols kept playing and Vandy kept playing, but they just couldn't catch him. Not same situation at all.
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The whistle was blown! You can clearly hear it. You can see the ref run to make the spot. I never said his knee was down but the ref blew his whistle and moved in to make the spot.

Go to 4:00 in the video and turn on the sound.

Tennessee Vanderbilt Highlights 2011 - Gordon INT - YouTube
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
Not correct. The knee wasn't down, the ref said he didn't blow the whistle, Vols kept playing and Vandy kept playing, but they just couldn't catch him. Not same situation at all.
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The ref lied you can see the whistle go to his mouth and hear the whistle. It is irrelevant that no one stopped once the whistle blows the play is dead period.

I am a life long Vol fan but right is right and wrong is wrong and both officials were wrong on that night just like they were on Saturday night.
 
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gunner said:
I agree, changes will be made because of the call in the booth.
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Oh goody. Well in that case I feel better. We get hosed at the Music City Bowl and a rule is changed, now we get hosed out of a bowl game and another rule is going to be changed. Man do I ever feel better.
 
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Not sure if this has been pointed out, but it's the same situation as two years ago when we won on the pic-6 in OT. The referee called our DB down. He clearly wasn't. That play should not have been reviewable, but the correct call ended up being made in the end. VU fans were also saying they got screwed after that.
 
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utvols95 said:
Not sure if this has been pointed out, but it's the same situation as two years ago when we won on the pic-6 in OT. The referee called our DB down. He clearly wasn't. That play should not have been reviewable, but the correct call ended up being made in the end. VU fans were also saying they got screwed after that.
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But....but....but that was different! :loco:
 
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Just watched that part of the game replay... Interesting to note that the referee even said "the runner reached the 33 yard line" and didn't say "the ball crossed the 33 yard line."
 
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utvols95 said:
Just watched that part of the game replay... Interesting to note that the referee even said "the runner reached the 33 yard line" and didn't say "the ball crossed the 33 yard line."
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Wow. I hadn't previously caught that, thanks for pointing that out. It is painfully obvious that he never observed the ball on the play to accurately mark it, just the runner. Wow!! The complete lack of consistency is the problem.
 
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utvols95 said:
Not sure if this has been pointed out, but it's the same situation as two years ago when we won on the pic-6 in OT. The referee called our DB down. He clearly wasn't. That play should not have been reviewable, but the correct call ended up being made in the end. VU fans were also saying they got screwed after that.
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Video evidence showed that our player's knee didn't touch. This thread is about video evidence. There was no evidence that the ball crossed the line to gain for a first down.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
Video evidence showed that our player's knee didn't touch. This thread is about video evidence. There was no evidence that the ball crossed the line to gain for a first down.
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If everything but his ankles are past the first down marker and it's clear he never lost the ball, it seems rather indisputable that he got the first down.
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Orange Blazer said:
Video evidence showed that our player's knee didn't touch. This thread is about video evidence. There was no evidence that the ball crossed the line to gain for a first down.
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I thought it was about the replay system. In both cases, there are questionable elements. I guess there was indisputable evidence on both plays. :ermm:
 
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If that call was in a court case and the jury had been told there has to be indisputable video evidence to overturn the call. The on field call would stand evrytime. You as a replay official cannot say I feel like he made it when 2 refs put their foot on the same spot. Also the camera angle from behing the QB skewed it to look like he was farther than he was also the yellow line is not official.
 
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