"In disputable video evidence" redefined

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bamawriter said:
Is anyone arguing that the replay official got the call wrong following his review?

I haven't seen it, but I didn't read all 13 pages of this thread, nor most of the numerous other threads on the subject and I'm simply curious.
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I'm not sure why the Ref spotted the ball where he did so I think some fans wonder if he saw something we didn't because on the replay it looked like he got the first down with his body, BUT you can't see the ball at all.

Is a clip up of the play yet?
 
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gunner said:
I agree they don't get it and neither do a lot of the folks on this board.

But, I bet Butch gets it, and he is probably working on his formal complaint to the SEC head of Officials right now.
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Yep.

I get the rule and the definition of the rule, but I think he ultimately got the call right.
 
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bamawriter said:
Is anyone arguing that the replay official got the call wrong following his review?

I haven't seen it, but I didn't read all 13 pages of this thread, nor most of the numerous other threads on the subject and I'm simply curious.
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Not really arguing that he got the call wrong that much is very obvious once one has a good understanding of the replay rule.

I have been just trying to educate the masses on this board the burden of proof that is necessary to overturn a call on the field by a replay official.

No indisputable evidence = no overturn of the call on the field.

I hope this helps.
 
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DarthVisor said:
Yep.

I get the rule and the definition of the rule, but I think he ultimately got the call right.
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I don't think that you do, the replay rule starts with the assumption that the call on the field is accurate. Thus, without the evidence to overturn it on the replay the call on the field is correct.

Therefore, ultimately they got it wrong.

I hope this helps.
 
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gunner said:
I don't think that you do, the replay rule starts with the assumption that the call on the field is accurate. Thus, without the evidence to overturn it on the replay the call on the field is correct.

Therefore, ultimately they got it wrong.

I hope this helps.
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So, you're arguing process more so than result, right? All else being equal, you'd say that Vandy got a first down?
 
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gunner said:
I don't think that you do, the replay rule starts with the assumption that the call on the field is accurate. Thus, without the evidence to overturn it on the replay the call on the field is correct.

Therefore, ultimately they got it wrong.

I hope this helps.
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If you want to sit on here and piss and moan about the process and the way it was handled, that's fine. I'm not saying that they went about the process correctly as the rules are written. However, I believe they ultimately made the right call. If you want to continue to cry about the process, go right ahead.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, you're arguing process more so than result, right? All else being equal, you'd say that Vandy got a first down?
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They definitely got the first down and justice was served. However, by rule, I don't know how they justified any particular spot and overruled the spot on the field.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, you're arguing process more so than result, right? All else being equal, you'd say that Vandy got a first down?
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I'm not sure, it was very close, and when I watched it live, I said out loud to my son, it depends on the spot.

The spot was overturned without the evidence to do so.

If the video evidence is inconclusive then by rule the call on the field stands because in the absence of indisputable evidence the call on the field is deemed to be correct and accurate.

Therefore, I will go with the call on the field not the overturn.
 
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bamawriter said:
My question had nothing to do with the indisputable standard. I'm simply wondering if anyone thinks that the replay official got it wrong.
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See the post above my response to yours. I think the onfield spot was bad but there was no way it could be overturned by video evidence. We cannot simply pick and choose when the end justifies the means either. Whether the call was right or wrong on the field the rule of indisputable proof was the standard and that standard was not met.
 
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DarthVisor said:
If you want to sit on here and piss and moan about the process and the way it was handled, that's fine. I'm not saying that they went about the process correctly as the rules are written. However, I believe they ultimately made the right call. If you want to continue to cry about the process, go right ahead.
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I am not crying about anything, I am stating my opinion which is what this forum is designed for. I hope you understand the difference.

I respect your opinion, I ask that you respect mine without calling it crying or wining.
 
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I think they need to make a rule change whereby the replay official can take a look and deem that a QB sneak made the line to gain and just change the down maker to 1st down at the current spot. The idea that a replay official can look at the scrum and communicate the proper spot to the ref who is listening on a headset is ludicrous.
 
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DarthVisor said:
If you want to sit on here and piss and moan about the process and the way it was handled, that's fine. I'm not saying that they went about the process correctly as the rules are written. However, I believe they ultimately made the right call. If you want to continue to cry about the process, go right ahead.
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So when should we pick and choose when to ignore the process? Why the hell was that process even implemented if we can choose to ignore it?
 
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bamawriter said:
Did you really think it was "very close"?
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Yes! I wasn't on the field two officials were and they both marked it on the spot where that though his forward progress had been stopped.

What do you think? I encourage your opinion.
 
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bamawriter said:
Did you really think it was "very close"?
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When I saw the play live I thought they got the first down no doubt. When I saw the spot I was relieved. When I saw the replay I was even more convinced that the play would be upheld not because he didn't get the first down but because there wasn't definitive video evidence that he made the first down. This is from a UT fan that has ample experience with the "burden" of indisputable proof as it usually nails us in the backside.
 
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gunner said:
Yes! I wasn't on the field two officials were and they both marked it on the spot where that though his forward progress had been stopped.

What do you think? I encourage your opinion.
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I think they missed the spot by about 1-1.5 feet. But I still have no idea how they determined a spot from replay and overruled the call on the field.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I'm just saying should we be pissed that the process was ignored here or be pissed when it is upheld and it goes against us. Just trying to get an idea when it's okay to be butthurt here?
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It's funny how "process" bites us in the ass. This is the 3rd game in 4 years where it seems officiating procedures got squirrelly in the final seconds to take away what I thought was a victory.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I'm just saying should we be pissed that the process was ignored here or be pissed when it is upheld and it goes against us. Just trying to get an idea when it's okay to be butthurt here?
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You do whatever you want to do. I don't care. It's over and done with. Did they have indisputable video evidence to overturn the spot? Absolutely not. I was simply saying that I think they ultimately got the call right.
 
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DarthVisor said:
You do whatever you want to do. I don't care. It's over and done with. Did they have indisputable video evidence to overturn the spot? Absolutely not. I was simply saying that I think they ultimately got the call right.
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I believe they did as well. I'm just sick of watching process kick us in the nutts and the one time where it should go our way the replay guy decides to just get it right instead of follow that process.

It doesn't matter at this point anyways. This team and staff have to make their own breaks in the future.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I believe they did as well. I'm just sick of watching process kick us in the nutts and the one time where it should go our way the replay guy decides to just get it right instead of follow that process.

It doesn't matter at this point anyways. This team and staff have to make their own breaks in the future.
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You all have been getting the rough end of the deal for the last few years. There's no doubt about that.
 
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gunner said:
Yes! I wasn't on the field two officials were and they both marked it on the spot where that though his forward progress had been stopped.

What do you think? I encourage your opinion.
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I think he had it by almost a yard. I'm not sure I consider that "very close".
 
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