Income (in)equality in the United States

#51
#51
I think someone in the family has to say enough. If that happens, the family changes forever and doesn't go back.
 
#52
#52
droski said:
i don't think the odds are less for people without a college degree to become millionares. plenty of modern day examples around. i do think the days are gone when an uneducated guy can show up at his local factory and make enough to have the house, yard, 2 cars, etc.
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The local factory has been replaced with entry level aspects of the computer industry.
 
#53
#53
bam15 said:
Makes sense.

95% of the poorest counties in The United States are in the Republican entrenched Bible belt.
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statistically there is absolutely no question poorer people vote democrat in larger numbers.
 
#55
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bam15 said:
Makes sense.

95% of the poorest counties in The United States are in the Republican entrenched Bible belt.
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Give it until 2030 and this will switch. The businesses are moving south due to taxes and the growth will change this ratio. The south is going forward and the north is going backwards.
 
#56
#56
I think it is easier to have the American Dream than ever. It is just to easy to bish about it and blame the reason you don't have anything on others. If you fail to make in America it is because of you, and not some one else keeping you down. Is it easy? Hell no, but it isn't suppose to be.

I hate this I'm special movement. I hate the don't take score during games, every one is a winner. Life is about working and getting knocked down and getting back on your own feet.
 
#57
#57
I'm afraid we've established a culture of handouts, it's gotten worse. at least some repubicans are trying to reign in spending. i fear it's too late.
 
#59
#59
NEOCON said:
Give it until 2030 and this will switch. The businesses are moving south due to taxes and the growth will change this ratio. The south is going forward and the north is going backwards.
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right to work policy helps a lot with that.
 
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NEOCON said:
Give it until 2030 and this will switch. The businesses are moving south due to taxes and the growth will change this ratio. The south is going forward and the north is going backwards.
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No disagreements here.
 
#61
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bam15 said:
Makes sense.

95% of the poorest counties in The United States are in the Republican entrenched Bible belt.
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And there's not a single one of those counties Republican or Independent and I guarantee the majorities are enormous.
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#62
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Volst53 said:
I think it is easier to have the American Dream than ever. It is just to easy to bish about it and blame the reason you don't have anything on others. If you fail to make in America it is because of you, and not some one else keeping you down. Is it easy? Hell no, but it isn't suppose to be.

I hate this I'm special movement. I hate the don't take score during games, every one is a winner. Life is about working and getting knocked down and getting back on your own feet.
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It's not. I'm going to be honest. The problem is how hard it is to start a small business. Labor cost too much now due out of whack cost of living standards. It can still be done but it is not nearly as easy. The US is quickly becoming a service oriented economy. This is not good.
 
#63
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bam15 said:
That doesn't take away the fact that many vote against their own economic interests.
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Few intentionally vote against their interests. That phenomenon us generally about ignorance.
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#64
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droski said:
which is going to india.
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Customer service for Dell, Microsoft (i.e. huge multinational companies) are in India.

There is still a huge market for localized IT support that cannot be outsourced to India. I have friends that work for a temp service that rebuilds workstations and computers and most businesses have turned to them instead of dealing with someone from India or Bangledesh. There were some attempts to export coding jobs overseas but that failed in most cases and those jobs are finding their way back to the US.

If it can't be answered by a pre-written script in broken English, it can't be answered. That isn't going to cut it for most companies that can afford to spend a little more for a local, more knowledgeable person.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
And there's not a single one of those counties Republican or Independent and I guarantee the majorities are enormous.
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Not sure on that. There are more registered Democrats in the USA, yet they don't vote Democratic half the time.
 
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NEOCON said:
Give it until 2030 and this will switch. The businesses are moving south due to taxes and the growth will change this ratio. The south is going forward and the north is going backwards.
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you are already seeing a net exodus from the higher tax states. even i, who loves california, would consider moving elsewhere if the wife and i's family weren't local.
 
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DC Vol said:
Customer service for Dell, Microsoft (i.e. huge multinational companies) are in India.

There is still a huge market for localized IT support that cannot be outsourced to India. I have friends that work for a temp service that rebuilds workstations and computers and most businesses have turned to them instead of dealing with someone from India or Bangledesh. There were some attempts to export coding jobs overseas but that failed in most cases and those jobs are finding their way back to the US.

If it can't be answered by a pre-written script in broken English, it can't be answered. That isn't going to cut it for most companies that can afford to spend a little more for a local, more knowledgeable person.
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i actually think call centers might be one of the things that gets switched back to this country. dell used to have by far the #1 rated customer service of any computer company, now it's very low. don't tell me it hasn't hurt sales. i know my dad stop buying them for this very reason. these days with voip and high speed internet you can have a stay at home mom from a rural city work from her home for 20 hours a week and it can be relatively cost competitive and the service is much better.
 
#69
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DC Vol said:
There were some attempts to export coding jobs overseas but that failed in most cases and those jobs are finding their way back to the US.
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unless it's a homegrown app much of our coding is done over there. Sorry but it just costs too damn much.
 
#70
#70
Dell is not the only large company to have the in bound call centers and tech sites abroad. It is becoming an epidemic. I can hire a full time worker in the Bacolod Philippines for 250 US dollar per month. This gets me a top of the line worker in that country for the same rate I would pay a bottom of the barrel worker to work just 25 hours here. That is a huge problem. The little extra hands on ability is not worth that kind of rate difference. That is the things most workers don't get. if you can get B- labor at 1 dollar per hour or A+ labor at 15 dollars per hour you take the B- employee and never look back.
 
#71
#71
99% of the call centers are in Bangalore.

I called Direct-TV the other day, and to my astonishment there was a corn-fed, american-speakin', honky on the line.

I enjoyed my experience.
 
#72
#72
droski said:
i actually think call centers might be one of the things that gets switched back to this country. dell used to have by far the #1 rated customer service of any computer company, now it's very low. don't tell me it hasn't hurt sales. i know my dad stop buying them for this very reason. these days with voip and high speed internet you can have a stay at home mom from a rural city work from her home for 20 hours a week and it can be relatively cost competitive and the service is much better.
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Call Centers are the only aspect that have been exported in large numbers and even then it's only with the large multinationals. Many companies have now brought them back.

Comcast tried it in some areas and they saw a huge backlash. All their call center folks are now local to their AOR and they've also instituted a system of education vouchers to train and retain their own employees.

Many overseas companies have also set up call centers in the States for their calls locally. I know ASUS and Gigabyte (large chipset/board manufacturers) do this.
 
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NEOCON said:
Dell is not the only large company to have the in bound call centers and tech sites abroad. It is becoming an epidemic. I can hire a full time worker in the Bacolod Philippines for 250 US dollar per month. This gets me a top of the line worker in that country for the same rate I would pay a bottom of the barrel worker to work just 25 hours here. That is a huge problem. The little extra hands on ability is not worth that kind of rate difference. That is the things most workers don't get. if you can get B- labor at 1 dollar per hour or A+ labor at 15 dollars per hour you take the B- employee and never look back.
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To do what?
 
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#74
utvolpj said:
unless it's a homegrown app much of our coding is done over there. Sorry but it just costs too damn much.
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speaking from someone who was a computer science major for a couple of years i can't imagine why anyone would want such a grunt and thankless job as doing the low level coding. of course 10 years ago some of these guys made pretty good money.
 
#75
#75
DC Vol said:
To do what?
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Call center.

And no you can't tell with the high end Flip centers.

Unless you actually know a Flip you will not know the ones you are speaking with aren't American. They will also tell you they are American and have names like Jill and Susan.
 
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