Ineligible Players from Sanctions

[Unknown Vol]

Does anybody know when/if the names of the 16 ineligible players who's wins we will vacate will be named? I'm wondering if we're just going to get a list of games or if the players will be named. I'll hang up and listen

 

[Volinnooga]

I don’t think they will make names public. The report refers to them as “Prospect9” or similar designation and not as a name.
I’d also like to know if their sins follow them to the next school. I suspect not but if a guy accepts illegal benefits at UT and then goes to play at Bama ( as an example), shouldn’t there be some penalty for that player? I realize you can’t penalize the new school for something a kid did at a prior school, but the kid who benefits suffers no real consequences.
I suppose the sins can’t really follow him to a new school and since the findings come after his college career ends, there is no ability to punish the kid

 

[mackievol]

Look back at the ones that left. Henry Tootoo I'm sure is one of them. Total scumbag

 

[Unknown Vol]

I suppose once we know the games someone can look at the roster participants and extrapolate who they were. I'm assuming the starters who left, and the highly rated signees who wanted out of their LOI would be good guesses, but we won't have a way to find out about signees who never participated

 

[mackievol]

I'd say probably all that left after Pruitt was canned were all involved

 

[BruisedOrange]

That would make a nice little back-to-school basic math or programming problem, for any teachers out there. Once we have the list of which wins will be negated, they can check that against which players played, and then which ones transferred out.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I don’t think they will make names public. The report refers to them as “Prospect9” or similar designation and not as a name.
I’d also like to know if their sins follow them to the next school. I suspect not but if a guy accepts illegal benefits at UT and then goes to play at Bama ( as an example), shouldn’t there be some penalty for that player? I realize you can’t penalize the new school for something a kid did at a prior school, but the kid who benefits suffers no real consequences.
I suppose the sins can’t really follow him to a new school and since the findings come after his college career ends, there is no ability to punish the kid

I think this is correct ... and do we really need their names? The guys who transferred to Oklahoma, plus the guy who went to Alabama.

 

[VolDaddy61]

I don’t think they will make names public. The report refers to them as “Prospect9” or similar designation and not as a name.
I’d also like to know if their sins follow them to the next school. I suspect not but if a guy accepts illegal benefits at UT and then goes to play at Bama ( as an example), shouldn’t there be some penalty for that player? I realize you can’t penalize the new school for something a kid did at a prior school, but the kid who benefits suffers no real consequences.
I suppose the sins can’t really follow him to a new school and since the findings come after his college career ends, there is no ability to punish the kid

Sins ?! Playing for Pruitt was punishment enough.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Look back at the ones that left. Henry Tootoo I'm sure is one of them. Total scumbag

I am sure Tennessee told this players to get out of Knoxville and find another place to play. That move was valuable in lessening harsher penalties. In the long run, it was , by far, the best thing to do.

 

[LWSVOL]

NCAA has never named players to my knowledge.

They also do not hold players / recruits accountable. The school is responsible for monitoring staff and boosters / donors / ticket holders for rules violations. It is not on the players / recruits. To my knowledge, players / recruits not penalized. They have not allowed recruits to be signed by a school if found breaking a rule before signing. Usually a self reporting situation by school.

 

[UT/USM_081302]

I think this is correct ... and do we really need their names? The guys who transferred to Oklahoma, plus the guy who went to Alabama.

If they were ineligible at UT, they should have been ineligible at the schools the transferred to also. The players and their families knew that taking improper benefits was not allowed, but they did it anyway. Letting them off with nothing while imposing penalties to a new staff and new players who had nothing to do with it is wrong, plain and simple. If those players can no longer be punished due to being drafted (To’o’to, Gray, Morris, Crouch, etc.), then that’s on the NCAA for dragging their feet on the “investigation”. The punishments should ONLY impact those who were directly Involved. If Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley, Mel Tucker, and others knowingly recruited players through the transfer portal that previously accepted improper benefits, they should be subject to show cause punishments as well.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

If a player took money from UT and went to play for another school, how does that shake out? Wouldn't it stand to reason the other school bid higher?

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

If they were ineligible at UT, they should have been ineligible at the schools the transferred to also. The players and their families knew that taking improper benefits was not allowed, but they did it anyway. Letting them off with nothing while imposing penalties to a new staff and new players who had nothing to do with it is wrong, plain and simple. If those players can no longer be punished due to being drafted (To’o’to, Gray, Morris, Crouch, etc.), then that’s on the NCAA for dragging their feet on the “investigation”. The punishments should ONLY impact those who were directly Involved. If Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley, Mel Tucker, and others knowingly recruited players through the transfer portal that previously accepted improper benefits, they should be subject to show cause punishments as well.

Darnell Washington took money from UT but went to UGA.

 

[VolInNW]

Darnell Washington took money from UT but went to UGA.

Hmmmmmm. I'm sure it was just the overwhelming awesome awesomeness of all things uga.....but just MAYBE this is a loose thread the NCAA could pull a bit???

Kirby and Slingblade both learned at Bammer under lil Nickie. The difference is that Kirby wins. So any uga fans or apologists should tread lightly here.

 

[VolinMichigan]

Darnell Washington took money from UT but went to UGA.

This is actually a situation where NIL can help. Don’t get me wrong, some recruits and players will probably still be paid under the table by boosters or coaches, but by using the NIL money to pay players, the schools minimize their risk of getting caught by the NCAA or having the kid take the money and go somewhere else. It’s not perfect but it will help eliminate some of the shadiness that’s been going on for a long long time.

 

[LWSVOL]

If they were ineligible at UT, they should have been ineligible at the schools the transferred to also. The players and their families knew that taking improper benefits was not allowed, but they did it anyway. Letting them off with nothing while imposing penalties to a new staff and new players who had nothing to do with it is wrong, plain and simple. If those players can no longer be punished due to being drafted (To’o’to, Gray, Morris, Crouch, etc.), then that’s on the NCAA for dragging their feet on the “investigation”. The punishments should ONLY impact those who were directly Involved. If Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley, Mel Tucker, and others knowingly recruited players through the transfer portal that previously accepted improper benefits, they should be subject to show cause punishments as well.

I don't know where it has been stated they were ineligible at Tennessee? Maybe it has been but I've not seen it.

Tennessee chose to have the players receiving benefits leave UT. In fact, encouraged them to leave.

 

[LWSVOL]

This is actually a situation where NIL can help. Don’t get me wrong, some recruits and players will probably still be paid under the table by boosters or coaches, but by using the NIL money to pay players, the schools minimize their risk of getting caught by the NCAA or having the kid take the money and go somewhere else. It’s not perfect but it will help eliminate some of the shadiness that’s been going on for a long long time.

it is still against the rules for coaches to pay / give money to recruits under NIL rules and regulations. In the Washington situation, against the rules pre NIL and against the rules with NIL. Schools / coaches cannot provide money for recruits / players. Collectives can facilitate payments to enrolled student-athletes.

 

[butchna]

NCAA has never named players to my knowledge.

They also do not hold players / recruits accountable. The school is responsible for monitoring staff and boosters / donors / ticket holders for rules violations. It is not on the players / recruits. To my knowledge, players / recruits not penalized. They have not allowed recruits to be signed by a school if found breaking a rule before signing. Usually a self reporting situation by school.

They have a list of the players. Otherwise, how are they going to know which games with said ineligible players to VACATE?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

That would make a nice little back-to-school basic math or programming problem, for any teachers out there. Once we have the list of which wins will be negated, they can check that against which players played, and then which ones transferred out.

Unfortunately, that won't get us very far.

Because To'o To'o.

See, Pruitt & Co started giving out bags of money in September of 2018. Supposedly purely to get recruits to commit. Which means the ineligible players didn't show up and start playing until the 2019 season. Everyone who played in the 2018 season were already on campus and in the program when the cheating started.

And one of those newly recruited players who arrived in 2019, To'o To'o, played in EVERY SINGLE GAME of the next two seasons, right up until Pruitt was fired.

Which means he covers for everyone else, and we'll likely never know who any of them are. We can make some educated guesses, but looking at who played which games (beyond To'o To'o) won't help.

Go Vols!

 

[ftsandersvol]

Darnell Washington took money from UT but went to UGA.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If they were ineligible at UT, they should have been ineligible at the schools the transferred to also. The players and their families knew that taking improper benefits was not allowed, but they did it anyway. Letting them off with nothing while imposing penalties to a new staff and new players who had nothing to do with it is wrong, plain and simple. If those players can no longer be punished due to being drafted (To’o’to, Gray, Morris, Crouch, etc.), then that’s on the NCAA for dragging their feet on the “investigation”. The punishments should ONLY impact those who were directly Involved. If Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley, Mel Tucker, and others knowingly recruited players through the transfer portal that previously accepted improper benefits, they should be subject to show cause punishments as well.

That's not how any system works.

No school is under the obligation to do their own investigation and know who did and didn't break NCAA rules before they transferred. That's ridiculous. How exactly would that work?

Because UT was under investigation and 25+ players transferred you'd ruin ALL their careers because schools should be afraid to touch any player when a school is being investigated?

Get real.

 

[BowlBrother85]

NCAA has never named players to my knowledge.

They also do not hold players / recruits accountable. The school is responsible for monitoring staff and boosters / donors / ticket holders for rules violations. It is not on the players / recruits. To my knowledge, players / recruits not penalized. They have not allowed recruits to be signed by a school if found breaking a rule before signing. Usually a self reporting situation by school.

You must only be counting current college players when you say that, because in 2010, Reggie Bush was stripped of his 2004 Heisman Trophy for accepting impermissible benefits from USC boosters.

https://cw33.com/sports/sports-illu...asts-ncaas-mark-emmert-over-stripped-heisman/

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You must only be counting current college players when you say that, because in 2010, the NCAA famously stripped Reggie Bush of his 2004 Heisman Trophy for accepting impermissible benefits from USC boosters. Reggie Bush was named throughout the NCAA's report.

https://cw33.com/sports/sports-illu...asts-ncaas-mark-emmert-over-stripped-heisman/

Here's the report from 2010. Is Reggie Bush named?

I'm not arguing that everyone knew who it was but the NCAA appears to call him "student athlete 1" in the report.

university of southern california public infractions report - Ncaa https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/miCaseView/report?id=102369

 

[BowlBrother85]

Here's the report from 2010. Is Reggie Bush named?

I'm not arguing that everyone knew who it was but the NCAA appears to call him "student athlete 1" in the report.

university of southern california public infractions report - Ncaa https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/miCaseView/report?id=102369

It may have been some other notice where I remember seeing him named ... but look, Reggie Bush was stripped of the 2004 Heisman Trophy. I call that penalizing a player ...

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It may have been some other notice where I remember seeing him named ... but look, the NCAA did strip Reggie Bush of the 2004 Heisman Trophy. I call that penalizing a player ...

Now, if LWS only meant that current college players aren't penalized? That's fine. Otherwise, he is obviously wrong.

I don't think the NCAA does it that way at all. They tell the school who it was and the school vacates the wins. They told the Heisman Trust about Bush and the Heisman Trust has rules that a player must not be cheating and they took the award back.

The NCAA has never gotten involved in naming players names publicly probably to avoid being sued AND to avoid players really blowing the whistle on schools.

I'm not saying it's not a mess and the NCAA isn't useless. It is and they are...... but they don't name names so it's impossible to expect a school picking up a kid as a transfer to know if they're the kid who broke the rules.